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Attributes | |
ACN | 245816 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : buf |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2300 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : buf |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 4400 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 245816 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Buf approach gave us a very good advisory for a VFR primary target at our 2 O'clock position and 1 mi or so. No transponder mode C. We saw what initially looked like a flight of 2. It was an small aircraft and an spn (yellow and white, respectively). We were just breaking out of overcast at 2500 ft. After calling the tower after landing, I decided that they were not in the arsa because they were probably below the floor by 200 ft or so, but they were barely below the cloud bases, and without a mode C in the 10 mi range of buf airport. As a cfig and tow plane pilot in my spare time, I recognized the very stupid position that they were in. They were less than 2 mi west of the localizer 23 at an altitude at or close to interception of the GS. With just a small difference in timing and position, a midair would result. What made this so dangerous was the proximity of the tow/glider to the cloud bases, localizer, and GS intercept altitude, and the fact that we were just coming out of the cloud bases in his flight path.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TRACON RADAR GAVE AN ACR MDT PRIMARY RETURN INFO ON AN SMA TOWING AN SPN. THIS INFO PREPARED THE MDT FOR LTSS.
Narrative: BUF APCH GAVE US A VERY GOOD ADVISORY FOR A VFR PRIMARY TARGET AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS AND 1 MI OR SO. NO XPONDER MODE C. WE SAW WHAT INITIALLY LOOKED LIKE A FLT OF 2. IT WAS AN SMA AND AN SPN (YELLOW AND WHITE, RESPECTIVELY). WE WERE JUST BREAKING OUT OF OVCST AT 2500 FT. AFTER CALLING THE TWR AFTER LNDG, I DECIDED THAT THEY WERE NOT IN THE ARSA BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY BELOW THE FLOOR BY 200 FT OR SO, BUT THEY WERE BARELY BELOW THE CLOUD BASES, AND WITHOUT A MODE C IN THE 10 MI RANGE OF BUF ARPT. AS A CFIG AND TOW PLANE PLT IN MY SPARE TIME, I RECOGNIZED THE VERY STUPID POS THAT THEY WERE IN. THEY WERE LESS THAN 2 MI W OF THE LOC 23 AT AN ALT AT OR CLOSE TO INTERCEPTION OF THE GS. WITH JUST A SMALL DIFFERENCE IN TIMING AND POS, A MIDAIR WOULD RESULT. WHAT MADE THIS SO DANGEROUS WAS THE PROX OF THE TOW/GLIDER TO THE CLOUD BASES, LOC, AND GS INTERCEPT ALT, AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE JUST COMING OUT OF THE CLOUD BASES IN HIS FLT PATH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.