An air carrier DO328 flight crew making a visual separation climb out comes too close, in the report...

Attributes
ACN	356912
Time
Date	199612
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : har
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 16000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny tower : ict
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Jetstream 31
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 10000
ASRS Report	356912
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1000
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

We leveled off at 13000 ft. ATC said, do you see traffic at your 2 O'clock position? We said yes. ATC said, can you maintain visual contact? Yes. So ATC told us to climb from 13000 ft to 16000 ft. As we climbed through 15000 ft the other aircraft was getting closer and closer to us. At about 15500 ft it looked like we were both about the same altitude and getting closer. So it looked like we were both headed for a very close crossing so we turned our aircraft to avoid the other, and passed about 1000 ft horizontal from him. If we had not turned, we would have come very close, maybe 100 ft. The other aircraft also seemed to change his course away from us at the same time. Nothing was said by ATC, or by our aircraft or the other aircraft. I said to the first officer that the visual climb idea didn't work out too well. I think we didn't realize that the other aircraft was going to cross our path of flight during the climb. All ATC said before the climb was that we were going to climb through his altitude. We didn't think he was on a crossing course with us. I think if ATC would have said that we had crossing traffic at 2 O'clock, and climb from 13 to 16, we would have waited until he passed us, or we passed him. There was no big hurry on climbing at that time. I know we said we could maintain visual with him, and by doing that, we are to avoid him ourselves, but I don't think we were given all the information we needed to make a good decision.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR DO328 FLC MAKING A VISUAL SEPARATION CLB OUT COMES TOO CLOSE, IN THE RPTR'S OPINION, TO A XING JETSTREAM 3100. THE RPTR FEELS THAT HE DID NOT GET ENOUGH INFO ON THE JETSTREAM'S FLT PATH FROM THE CTLR.

Narrative: WE LEVELED OFF AT 13000 FT. ATC SAID, DO YOU SEE TFC AT YOUR 2 O'CLOCK POS? WE SAID YES. ATC SAID, CAN YOU MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT? YES. SO ATC TOLD US TO CLB FROM 13000 FT TO 16000 FT. AS WE CLBED THROUGH 15000 FT THE OTHER ACFT WAS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO US. AT ABOUT 15500 FT IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE BOTH ABOUT THE SAME ALT AND GETTING CLOSER. SO IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE BOTH HEADED FOR A VERY CLOSE XING SO WE TURNED OUR ACFT TO AVOID THE OTHER, AND PASSED ABOUT 1000 FT HORIZ FROM HIM. IF WE HAD NOT TURNED, WE WOULD HAVE COME VERY CLOSE, MAYBE 100 FT. THE OTHER ACFT ALSO SEEMED TO CHANGE HIS COURSE AWAY FROM US AT THE SAME TIME. NOTHING WAS SAID BY ATC, OR BY OUR ACFT OR THE OTHER ACFT. I SAID TO THE FO THAT THE VISUAL CLB IDEA DIDN'T WORK OUT TOO WELL. I THINK WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE OTHER ACFT WAS GOING TO CROSS OUR PATH OF FLT DURING THE CLB. ALL ATC SAID BEFORE THE CLB WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO CLB THROUGH HIS ALT. WE DIDN'T THINK HE WAS ON A XING COURSE WITH US. I THINK IF ATC WOULD HAVE SAID THAT WE HAD XING TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK, AND CLB FROM 13 TO 16, WE WOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL HE PASSED US, OR WE PASSED HIM. THERE WAS NO BIG HURRY ON CLBING AT THAT TIME. I KNOW WE SAID WE COULD MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH HIM, AND BY DOING THAT, WE ARE TO AVOID HIM OURSELVES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE GIVEN ALL THE INFO WE NEEDED TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An air carrier DO328 flight crew making a visual separation climb out comes too close, in the reporter's opinion, to a crossing jetstream 3100. The reporter feels that he did not get enough information on the jetstream's flight path from the controller.