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Attributes | |
ACN | 247677 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gdl |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rap |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 247677 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 247099 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Serving as first officer in a 2-MAN cockpit, captain requested before start checklist all the way through to the cleared for start portion. I reported checklist complete and advised ground we were starting engines on the ramp. They told us to report ready to taxi. Captain gave start hand signal to the ground crew. They returned the signal and the captain initiated the start sequence. A couple of seconds later there was a violent bump on the nose gear area of the aircraft. The ground crew tried to tow the aircraft back while the captain had the brakes set. The tow bar broke and damaged the nose gear doors of the aircraft. The doors were repaired and signed off in the logbook and after an extensive delay, we were on our way without further incident. The captain had interphone communications with ground personnel and no communication ever indicated the ground personnel were going to tow the aircraft. We, as a flight crew, were not aware the tow bar was connected. Ground personnel said they thought we were aware of the towing pushback even though no signals or verbal communication indicated this would happen. Factors were: assumption by ground crew that crew was aware of towing. Ground crew set on towing did not recognize start signal or thought they saw brake release. Not having 2 men monitoring start sequence especially interphone communication. Both pilots were reserve crew and did not realize aircraft was towed at gdl. You could exit ramp forward of aircraft without pushback. I think closer attention and better communication verbal by flight crew and ground crew could have avoided this incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG FLC AT ENG START UP HAVE VIOLENT BUMP IN NOSE GEAR AREA. TOW BAR BROKEN DUE BRAKES SET.
Narrative: SERVING AS FO IN A 2-MAN COCKPIT, CAPT REQUESTED BEFORE START CHKLIST ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE CLRED FOR START PORTION. I RPTED CHKLIST COMPLETE AND ADVISED GND WE WERE STARTING ENGS ON THE RAMP. THEY TOLD US TO RPT READY TO TAXI. CAPT GAVE START HAND SIGNAL TO THE GND CREW. THEY RETURNED THE SIGNAL AND THE CAPT INITIATED THE START SEQUENCE. A COUPLE OF SECONDS LATER THERE WAS A VIOLENT BUMP ON THE NOSE GEAR AREA OF THE ACFT. THE GND CREW TRIED TO TOW THE ACFT BACK WHILE THE CAPT HAD THE BRAKES SET. THE TOW BAR BROKE AND DAMAGED THE NOSE GEAR DOORS OF THE ACFT. THE DOORS WERE REPAIRED AND SIGNED OFF IN THE LOGBOOK AND AFTER AN EXTENSIVE DELAY, WE WERE ON OUR WAY WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. THE CAPT HAD INTERPHONE COMS WITH GND PERSONNEL AND NO COM EVER INDICATED THE GND PERSONNEL WERE GOING TO TOW THE ACFT. WE, AS A FLC, WERE NOT AWARE THE TOW BAR WAS CONNECTED. GND PERSONNEL SAID THEY THOUGHT WE WERE AWARE OF THE TOWING PUSHBACK EVEN THOUGH NO SIGNALS OR VERBAL COM INDICATED THIS WOULD HAPPEN. FACTORS WERE: ASSUMPTION BY GND CREW THAT CREW WAS AWARE OF TOWING. GND CREW SET ON TOWING DID NOT RECOGNIZE START SIGNAL OR THOUGHT THEY SAW BRAKE RELEASE. NOT HAVING 2 MEN MONITORING START SEQUENCE ESPECIALLY INTERPHONE COM. BOTH PLTS WERE RESERVE CREW AND DID NOT REALIZE ACFT WAS TOWED AT GDL. YOU COULD EXIT RAMP FORWARD OF ACFT WITHOUT PUSHBACK. I THINK CLOSER ATTN AND BETTER COM VERBAL BY FLC AND GND CREW COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.