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Flight crew of an light transport air carrier aircraft lost communications with ARTCC before establishing communication with approach control.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 248923 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199308 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cak |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob artcc : zid |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 248923 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Second occurrence of a lost communication with ZID while being handed off to canton/akron approach. On aug/xx/93 at about XX00 local time, we ended up about 25 mi from the airport (cak) at cruise altitude (15000 ft). I tried center on the frequency we were taking to him on, but no response. I went to cak approach where the rest of flight was normal. On aug/xx/93 same approximately time and place, same scenario except I called ZID to see if they were going to hand us off to cak approach since I hadn't heard from them in a while. He (ZID) said he was getting ready to hand us off and to descend at pilot's discretion to 11000 ft. We started a descent. When at 11000 ft and within 25 NM of cak, I called center with no response, so I went to cak approach frequency and told them what happened. He said 'the computer handed us off so it was a legal handoff.' it seems that this late at night in that area with possible sector consolidation we are getting out of range of someone's remote communication outlet.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LTT ACR ACFT LOST COMS WITH ARTCC BEFORE ESTABLISHING COM WITH APCH CTL.
Narrative: SECOND OCCURRENCE OF A LOST COM WITH ZID WHILE BEING HANDED OFF TO CANTON/AKRON APCH. ON AUG/XX/93 AT ABOUT XX00 LCL TIME, WE ENDED UP ABOUT 25 MI FROM THE ARPT (CAK) AT CRUISE ALT (15000 FT). I TRIED CTR ON THE FREQ WE WERE TAKING TO HIM ON, BUT NO RESPONSE. I WENT TO CAK APCH WHERE THE REST OF FLT WAS NORMAL. ON AUG/XX/93 SAME APPROX TIME AND PLACE, SAME SCENARIO EXCEPT I CALLED ZID TO SEE IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAND US OFF TO CAK APCH SINCE I HADN'T HEARD FROM THEM IN A WHILE. HE (ZID) SAID HE WAS GETTING READY TO HAND US OFF AND TO DSND AT PLT'S DISCRETION TO 11000 FT. WE STARTED A DSCNT. WHEN AT 11000 FT AND WITHIN 25 NM OF CAK, I CALLED CTR WITH NO RESPONSE, SO I WENT TO CAK APCH FREQ AND TOLD THEM WHAT HAPPENED. HE SAID 'THE COMPUTER HANDED US OFF SO IT WAS A LEGAL HDOF.' IT SEEMS THAT THIS LATE AT NIGHT IN THAT AREA WITH POSSIBLE SECTOR CONSOLIDATION WE ARE GETTING OUT OF RANGE OF SOMEONE'S REMOTE COM OUTLET.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.