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Attributes | |
ACN | 249759 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 18000 msl bound upper : 22000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 249759 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10350 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 249761 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Upon reporting to msp for flight, it was evident that a thunderstorm system was west of the airport moving east. I called the dispatcher and he pulled up a radar picture of the msp area and gave me a description of the storm as being 20 NM west of the msp airport, 20 NM wide and moving at 30 KTS with mostly level 1 and 2 returns with a few areas of level 3 and 4 mixed in. I also called up the rst radar report (sd) since the msp, sd, was ppiom. The main part of the storm passed over msp at approximately AB40Z. We departed the gate at AC15Z and taxied to taxiway C where we stopped to study the radar returns and determine the best route of flight out of msp. The radar showed several clear areas with no contouring and no attenuation. We took of at AC36Z from runway 11R with a heading of 140 degrees (the heading showing clear of radar returns and also being used by other aircraft). At about 14000 ft we encountered heavy rain, even though the radar was showing no returns. At about FL180 we started encountering hail. At that time we turned on flight start ignition. There was very little turbulence. The hail continued to increase in intensity and the L1 and R1 outer windshields cracked at approximately FL200. At FL210 we were clear of the storm. We informed msp departure control of the hail and advised that they not route any other aircraft in that direction. The flight engineer went to the cabin to check for any damage to the wings. None was found. We called maintenance to report to them the situation and condition of the windshields. We completed the flight without further incident. Apparently the rain was causing the x-band monochrome radar to attenuate due to the rain on the radar nose cone. When we started getting rain we showed no radar returns, only a constant green band. Supplemental information from acn 249761: the poor performance of the radar made decision making extremely difficult. We had no reason looking at this radar to doubt ATC's heading. Once in the hail it was impossible to hear any verbal communication in the cockpit. There was no information either by radar or previous aircraft departure which would have warned us of this problem. Other aircraft had used this same departure mins before we did, with no complaint. The departure was based both on inadequate and incorrect information provided by on- board radar and ATC. With more correct and complete information the departure may have been accomplished in a different direction or delayed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT DAMAGED BY INFLT ENCOUNTER WITH HAIL IN CLBING TFC IN PROX OF TSTM ACTIVITY.
Narrative: UPON RPTING TO MSP FOR FLT, IT WAS EVIDENT THAT A TSTM SYS WAS W OF THE ARPT MOVING E. I CALLED THE DISPATCHER AND HE PULLED UP A RADAR PICTURE OF THE MSP AREA AND GAVE ME A DESCRIPTION OF THE STORM AS BEING 20 NM W OF THE MSP ARPT, 20 NM WIDE AND MOVING AT 30 KTS WITH MOSTLY LEVEL 1 AND 2 RETURNS WITH A FEW AREAS OF LEVEL 3 AND 4 MIXED IN. I ALSO CALLED UP THE RST RADAR RPT (SD) SINCE THE MSP, SD, WAS PPIOM. THE MAIN PART OF THE STORM PASSED OVER MSP AT APPROX AB40Z. WE DEPARTED THE GATE AT AC15Z AND TAXIED TO TXWY C WHERE WE STOPPED TO STUDY THE RADAR RETURNS AND DETERMINE THE BEST RTE OF FLT OUT OF MSP. THE RADAR SHOWED SEVERAL CLR AREAS WITH NO CONTOURING AND NO ATTENUATION. WE TOOK OF AT AC36Z FROM RWY 11R WITH A HDG OF 140 DEGS (THE HDG SHOWING CLR OF RADAR RETURNS AND ALSO BEING USED BY OTHER ACFT). AT ABOUT 14000 FT WE ENCOUNTERED HVY RAIN, EVEN THOUGH THE RADAR WAS SHOWING NO RETURNS. AT ABOUT FL180 WE STARTED ENCOUNTERING HAIL. AT THAT TIME WE TURNED ON FLT START IGNITION. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE TURB. THE HAIL CONTINUED TO INCREASE IN INTENSITY AND THE L1 AND R1 OUTER WINDSHIELDS CRACKED AT APPROX FL200. AT FL210 WE WERE CLR OF THE STORM. WE INFORMED MSP DEP CTL OF THE HAIL AND ADVISED THAT THEY NOT RTE ANY OTHER ACFT IN THAT DIRECTION. THE FE WENT TO THE CABIN TO CHK FOR ANY DAMAGE TO THE WINGS. NONE WAS FOUND. WE CALLED MAINT TO RPT TO THEM THE SIT AND CONDITION OF THE WINDSHIELDS. WE COMPLETED THE FLT WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. APPARENTLY THE RAIN WAS CAUSING THE X-BAND MONOCHROME RADAR TO ATTENUATE DUE TO THE RAIN ON THE RADAR NOSE CONE. WHEN WE STARTED GETTING RAIN WE SHOWED NO RADAR RETURNS, ONLY A CONSTANT GREEN BAND. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 249761: THE POOR PERFORMANCE OF THE RADAR MADE DECISION MAKING EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. WE HAD NO REASON LOOKING AT THIS RADAR TO DOUBT ATC'S HDG. ONCE IN THE HAIL IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO HEAR ANY VERBAL COM IN THE COCKPIT. THERE WAS NO INFO EITHER BY RADAR OR PREVIOUS ACFT DEP WHICH WOULD HAVE WARNED US OF THIS PROB. OTHER ACFT HAD USED THIS SAME DEP MINS BEFORE WE DID, WITH NO COMPLAINT. THE DEP WAS BASED BOTH ON INADEQUATE AND INCORRECT INFO PROVIDED BY ON- BOARD RADAR AND ATC. WITH MORE CORRECT AND COMPLETE INFO THE DEP MAY HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION OR DELAYED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.