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Attributes | |
ACN | 251830 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5500 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : las tower : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 251830 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 253049 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On visual approach to las runway 25L. We were on a left downwind cleared for the visual, follow medium large transport Y jet at the stadium, remain at 6000 ft until turning final at approximately 6 mi from runway. I saw an small transport paralleling our course and converging at what appeared to be our altitude or very close to our altitude. To my recollection, this traffic was not specifically brought to our attention by approach, i.e., position, altitude, etc. When I saw this aircraft, my instincts were to begin a descent, then turn base. While on base we received an RA on TCASII commanding a further descent, which we complied with. We were told by approach that we were required to remain at 6000 ft until final and please call when we were on the ground. As it turned out, the traffic was air taxi rted eastbound at 5500 ft. If I had remained at 6000 ft there would have been no problem. However, if I had known about the traffic, altitude, etc, my reactions would have been different. The unknown aspect of this traffic caused me to take the actions that I took. I have not flown into las in approximately 5 yrs and was unfamiliar with their system of routing air taxi. I feel that if I had known about this traffic, particularly his altitude, my reactions would have been different. Supplemental information from acn 253049: in a subsequent phone call made to approach, we were told that he was in a corridor or on a routing to the canyon. He also told us this has been a problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG CLBED BACK TO ITS ASSIGNED ALT IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII COMMAND.
Narrative: ON VISUAL APCH TO LAS RWY 25L. WE WERE ON A L DOWNWIND CLRED FOR THE VISUAL, FOLLOW MLG Y JET AT THE STADIUM, REMAIN AT 6000 FT UNTIL TURNING FINAL AT APPROX 6 MI FROM RWY. I SAW AN SMT PARALLELING OUR COURSE AND CONVERGING AT WHAT APPEARED TO BE OUR ALT OR VERY CLOSE TO OUR ALT. TO MY RECOLLECTION, THIS TFC WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTN BY APCH, I.E., POS, ALT, ETC. WHEN I SAW THIS ACFT, MY INSTINCTS WERE TO BEGIN A DSCNT, THEN TURN BASE. WHILE ON BASE WE RECEIVED AN RA ON TCASII COMMANDING A FURTHER DSCNT, WHICH WE COMPLIED WITH. WE WERE TOLD BY APCH THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO REMAIN AT 6000 FT UNTIL FINAL AND PLEASE CALL WHEN WE WERE ON THE GND. AS IT TURNED OUT, THE TFC WAS AIR TAXI RTED EBOUND AT 5500 FT. IF I HAD REMAINED AT 6000 FT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROB. HOWEVER, IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE TFC, ALT, ETC, MY REACTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. THE UNKNOWN ASPECT OF THIS TFC CAUSED ME TO TAKE THE ACTIONS THAT I TOOK. I HAVE NOT FLOWN INTO LAS IN APPROX 5 YRS AND WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH THEIR SYS OF ROUTING AIR TAXI. I FEEL THAT IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THIS TFC, PARTICULARLY HIS ALT, MY REACTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 253049: IN A SUBSEQUENT PHONE CALL MADE TO APCH, WE WERE TOLD THAT HE WAS IN A CORRIDOR OR ON A ROUTING TO THE CANYON. HE ALSO TOLD US THIS HAS BEEN A PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.