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Attributes | |
ACN | 252352 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 370 |
ASRS Report | 252352 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 252135 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Air carrier medium large transport was cleared to taxi to runway 23L. Approaching runway 28 I asked the tower if we were cleared onto runway 28. The reply was affirmative. I then proceeded with the takeoff checklist while checking for traffic on/approaching runway 28. After completing the next checklist item, I looked outside and saw the hold short line go under the nose. I then advised the captain. He stopped the aircraft with the main landing gear approximately on the hold short line. At that time another aircraft was issued a go around. Some contributing factors were the crew's unfamiliarity with cle in conjunction with the airport markings. A hold short line on another runway is difficult to mark. Recommend a more pronounced marking of the hold short line on runway 28. Supplemental information from acn 252135: being new on the aircraft and still unfamiliar with cle had some bearing. Recommend cle have aircraft hold short of runway 28 while aircraft landing runway 23L. Very confusing arrangement. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the reporting first officer states that he has not yet heard from the FAA on this incident. He states that the hold short lines for runway 23L are on runway 28 and therefore are unexpected. This was the third leg for a new captain. Both of the crew members are relatively new to this aircraft and new to cle airport. The morning had low visibility compounding the reporter's problem and making a sidestep to the runway 23R difficult for the inbound aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG CREW CROSSED THE RWY 23L HOLD SHORT LINE WHILE TAXIING TO RWY 23R. THE HOLD SHORT LINES ARE ON RWY 28.
Narrative: ACR MLG WAS CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 23L. APCHING RWY 28 I ASKED THE TWR IF WE WERE CLRED ONTO RWY 28. THE REPLY WAS AFFIRMATIVE. I THEN PROCEEDED WITH THE TKOF CHKLIST WHILE CHKING FOR TFC ON/APCHING RWY 28. AFTER COMPLETING THE NEXT CHKLIST ITEM, I LOOKED OUTSIDE AND SAW THE HOLD SHORT LINE GO UNDER THE NOSE. I THEN ADVISED THE CAPT. HE STOPPED THE ACFT WITH THE MAIN LNDG GEAR APPROX ON THE HOLD SHORT LINE. AT THAT TIME ANOTHER ACFT WAS ISSUED A GAR. SOME CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE THE CREW'S UNFAMILIARITY WITH CLE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ARPT MARKINGS. A HOLD SHORT LINE ON ANOTHER RWY IS DIFFICULT TO MARK. RECOMMEND A MORE PRONOUNCED MARKING OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE ON RWY 28. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 252135: BEING NEW ON THE ACFT AND STILL UNFAMILIAR WITH CLE HAD SOME BEARING. RECOMMEND CLE HAVE ACFT HOLD SHORT OF RWY 28 WHILE ACFT LNDG RWY 23L. VERY CONFUSING ARRANGEMENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE RPTING FO STATES THAT HE HAS NOT YET HEARD FROM THE FAA ON THIS INCIDENT. HE STATES THAT THE HOLD SHORT LINES FOR RWY 23L ARE ON RWY 28 AND THEREFORE ARE UNEXPECTED. THIS WAS THE THIRD LEG FOR A NEW CAPT. BOTH OF THE CREW MEMBERS ARE RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS ACFT AND NEW TO CLE ARPT. THE MORNING HAD LOW VISIBILITY COMPOUNDING THE RPTR'S PROB AND MAKING A SIDESTEP TO THE RWY 23R DIFFICULT FOR THE INBOUND ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.