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Attributes | |
ACN | 252411 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : day |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : day |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 252411 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Began ILS 18 approach and were told ILS 18 is unmonitored and unreliable, so we missed to hold at the VOR as published. Upon entering the third turn, we were vectored to the ILS 18 which was now reliable. Nothing on ATIS or from approach about ILS 18 until we started the approach, once we heard unreliable we immediately asked for a hold. WX was strong thunderstorms, heavy rain and wind shear. Runway 18 on ATIS was open but last 2650 ft was closed, leaving 5850 ft available. After we shot a successful ILS 18, we touched on the runway, but because of the wind and rain on runway, we rolled out to the end of the runway. Tower did not have a problem with this! The ILS 18 was unmonitored and unreliable due to construction workers on runway. Since it was night and the middle of a heavy thunderstorm, no workers or construction was being performed on the runway so the tower deemed the runway usable. We had no warning or any information available to lead us to believe ILS 18 was unreliable until told by tower after starting approach. When the WX came up to 2 mi while we were in the hold, it made ILS 18 usable. On ATIS, runway 18 was 8500 ft with last 2650 ft unusable, leaving 5850 ft. After touchdown, the standing water made it hard to stop in 5850 ft but we did and continued the rollout till the end in the interest of safety.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LTT CREW ROLLED OUT ONTO A CLOSED PORTION OF A RWY.
Narrative: BEGAN ILS 18 APCH AND WERE TOLD ILS 18 IS UNMONITORED AND UNRELIABLE, SO WE MISSED TO HOLD AT THE VOR AS PUBLISHED. UPON ENTERING THE THIRD TURN, WE WERE VECTORED TO THE ILS 18 WHICH WAS NOW RELIABLE. NOTHING ON ATIS OR FROM APCH ABOUT ILS 18 UNTIL WE STARTED THE APCH, ONCE WE HEARD UNRELIABLE WE IMMEDIATELY ASKED FOR A HOLD. WX WAS STRONG TSTMS, HVY RAIN AND WIND SHEAR. RWY 18 ON ATIS WAS OPEN BUT LAST 2650 FT WAS CLOSED, LEAVING 5850 FT AVAILABLE. AFTER WE SHOT A SUCCESSFUL ILS 18, WE TOUCHED ON THE RWY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WIND AND RAIN ON RWY, WE ROLLED OUT TO THE END OF THE RWY. TWR DID NOT HAVE A PROB WITH THIS! THE ILS 18 WAS UNMONITORED AND UNRELIABLE DUE TO CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ON RWY. SINCE IT WAS NIGHT AND THE MIDDLE OF A HVY TSTM, NO WORKERS OR CONSTRUCTION WAS BEING PERFORMED ON THE RWY SO THE TWR DEEMED THE RWY USABLE. WE HAD NO WARNING OR ANY INFO AVAILABLE TO LEAD US TO BELIEVE ILS 18 WAS UNRELIABLE UNTIL TOLD BY TWR AFTER STARTING APCH. WHEN THE WX CAME UP TO 2 MI WHILE WE WERE IN THE HOLD, IT MADE ILS 18 USABLE. ON ATIS, RWY 18 WAS 8500 FT WITH LAST 2650 FT UNUSABLE, LEAVING 5850 FT. AFTER TOUCHDOWN, THE STANDING WATER MADE IT HARD TO STOP IN 5850 FT BUT WE DID AND CONTINUED THE ROLLOUT TILL THE END IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.