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Attributes | |
ACN | 253768 |
Time | |
Date | 199310 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 253768 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 254516 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were instructed to fly a 190 degree heading and join the lda- a localizer to runway 22 at lga, with a descent clearance to 3000 ft. We were approximately 15 mi northeast of lga and 3 mi north of the localizer, descending at 1000 FPM and 195 KTS, when we received a TA from TCASII for a target at 10-11 O'clock and 3 mi, 300 ft below our altitude. Only a few seconds later, our TCASII issued a 'descend, crossing descend' RA with a 1500 FPM commanded descent. Our descent rate was increased to the commanded rate and I observed no change in our relative altitude with the other aircraft, still 300 ft below us. A few more seconds passed and our TCASII commanded 'increase descent' and commanded a 2500 FPM descent rate. I observed the target's relative altitude increase and visual contact was made as the traffic passed our 12 O'clock position and approximately 100 ft above our altitude, with the TCASII indicating the traffic passed 100 ft above us. I now leveled off at our present altitude of 2000 ft, still on a 190 degree heading. I maintained this altitude and heading awaiting further instructions. We were then instructed to fly a 180 degree heading and climb to 3000 ft. After the encounter, my first officer informed me that he had responded to a heading change of 090 degrees which was given at the same time that our TCASII issued the 'increase descent' command. Due to the very high workload, I missed the radio call. In retrospect, I do not believe that the heading change would have provided any relief from the conflict and, from my point of view, we were in an emergency situation, with my first priority to fly the aircraft to safety. I believe this conflict was ATC controller error. The other aircraft was never pointed out to us by the controller as traffic. The other aircraft was also TCASII equipped therefore, this was a coordinated maneuver. The other aircraft's apparent delay in responding to their own RA increased the severity of this encounter. Supplemental information from acn 254516: at the same time, a jet was cleared for the visual. It seemed as if the jet was now descending into us. The TCASII was so loud that the captain did not hear the ATC heading instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LTT DIVED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII COMMAND.
Narrative: WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO FLY A 190 DEG HDG AND JOIN THE LDA- A LOC TO RWY 22 AT LGA, WITH A DSCNT CLRNC TO 3000 FT. WE WERE APPROX 15 MI NE OF LGA AND 3 MI N OF THE LOC, DSNDING AT 1000 FPM AND 195 KTS, WHEN WE RECEIVED A TA FROM TCASII FOR A TARGET AT 10-11 O'CLOCK AND 3 MI, 300 FT BELOW OUR ALT. ONLY A FEW SECONDS LATER, OUR TCASII ISSUED A 'DSND, XING DSND' RA WITH A 1500 FPM COMMANDED DSCNT. OUR DSCNT RATE WAS INCREASED TO THE COMMANDED RATE AND I OBSERVED NO CHANGE IN OUR RELATIVE ALT WITH THE OTHER ACFT, STILL 300 FT BELOW US. A FEW MORE SECONDS PASSED AND OUR TCASII COMMANDED 'INCREASE DSCNT' AND COMMANDED A 2500 FPM DSCNT RATE. I OBSERVED THE TARGET'S RELATIVE ALT INCREASE AND VISUAL CONTACT WAS MADE AS THE TFC PASSED OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS AND APPROX 100 FT ABOVE OUR ALT, WITH THE TCASII INDICATING THE TFC PASSED 100 FT ABOVE US. I NOW LEVELED OFF AT OUR PRESENT ALT OF 2000 FT, STILL ON A 190 DEG HDG. I MAINTAINED THIS ALT AND HDG AWAITING FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. WE WERE THEN INSTRUCTED TO FLY A 180 DEG HDG AND CLB TO 3000 FT. AFTER THE ENCOUNTER, MY FO INFORMED ME THAT HE HAD RESPONDED TO A HDG CHANGE OF 090 DEGS WHICH WAS GIVEN AT THE SAME TIME THAT OUR TCASII ISSUED THE 'INCREASE DSCNT' COMMAND. DUE TO THE VERY HIGH WORKLOAD, I MISSED THE RADIO CALL. IN RETROSPECT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE HDG CHANGE WOULD HAVE PROVIDED ANY RELIEF FROM THE CONFLICT AND, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WE WERE IN AN EMER SIT, WITH MY FIRST PRIORITY TO FLY THE ACFT TO SAFETY. I BELIEVE THIS CONFLICT WAS ATC CTLR ERROR. THE OTHER ACFT WAS NEVER POINTED OUT TO US BY THE CTLR AS TFC. THE OTHER ACFT WAS ALSO TCASII EQUIPPED THEREFORE, THIS WAS A COORDINATED MANEUVER. THE OTHER ACFT'S APPARENT DELAY IN RESPONDING TO THEIR OWN RA INCREASED THE SEVERITY OF THIS ENCOUNTER. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 254516: AT THE SAME TIME, A JET WAS CLRED FOR THE VISUAL. IT SEEMED AS IF THE JET WAS NOW DSNDING INTO US. THE TCASII WAS SO LOUD THAT THE CAPT DID NOT HEAR THE ATC HDG INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.