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Attributes | |
ACN | 255429 |
Time | |
Date | 199310 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ddp |
State Reference | PR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 39000 msl bound upper : 39000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic enroute : atlantic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 3750 |
ASRS Report | 255429 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 5600 flight time type : 2600 |
ASRS Report | 255797 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Flying east direct to ddp (dorado san juan) at FL390 as approved by previous mia sector, TCASII aural warning indicated target at 12 O'clock, 9 mi. Waited briefly to establish track which was straight at us. At 7 mi, I started a turn to the south. Closure rate was so rapid, by the time I had turned 10 degrees off course target was inside 5 mi and TCASII was directing a rapid descent. At that instant I had the target visually and determined an increase in turn rate to the south would be a better course of action. During evasive action I made the radio call 'TCASII TA our altitude, air carrier xxy has traffic in sight.' after a pause he responded, 'turn right heading 180 degrees,' then told other aircraft to descend to FL370. Passing through about a 150 degree heading I watched the other aircraft pass behind us about a mi. It appeared to be some type of corporate jet, possibly an mdt. He had not begun his descent yet (verified by TCASII). It's my belief that the other aircraft had no idea of our presence and probably did not have an operating TCASII due to their inaction, and because of the radio silence prior to the event, then the uneasiness in the controller's voice after I alerted him. I think if we had not had our TCASII, the chances of seeing that small jet and having enough reaction time is doubtful. I thought this was one of those things that just didn't happen having almost 10000 hours with no close calls. I'm definitely changing my skeptical attitude towards the value of TCASII as my crew members and I agreed that we came way too close to a midair kiss at 39000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON OCEANIC FLT HAS CLOSE PROX WITH CORPORATE JET.
Narrative: FLYING E DIRECT TO DDP (DORADO SAN JUAN) AT FL390 AS APPROVED BY PREVIOUS MIA SECTOR, TCASII AURAL WARNING INDICATED TARGET AT 12 O'CLOCK, 9 MI. WAITED BRIEFLY TO ESTABLISH TRACK WHICH WAS STRAIGHT AT US. AT 7 MI, I STARTED A TURN TO THE S. CLOSURE RATE WAS SO RAPID, BY THE TIME I HAD TURNED 10 DEGS OFF COURSE TARGET WAS INSIDE 5 MI AND TCASII WAS DIRECTING A RAPID DSCNT. AT THAT INSTANT I HAD THE TARGET VISUALLY AND DETERMINED AN INCREASE IN TURN RATE TO THE S WOULD BE A BETTER COURSE OF ACTION. DURING EVASIVE ACTION I MADE THE RADIO CALL 'TCASII TA OUR ALT, ACR XXY HAS TFC IN SIGHT.' AFTER A PAUSE HE RESPONDED, 'TURN R HDG 180 DEGS,' THEN TOLD OTHER ACFT TO DSND TO FL370. PASSING THROUGH ABOUT A 150 DEG HDG I WATCHED THE OTHER ACFT PASS BEHIND US ABOUT A MI. IT APPEARED TO BE SOME TYPE OF CORPORATE JET, POSSIBLY AN MDT. HE HAD NOT BEGUN HIS DSCNT YET (VERIFIED BY TCASII). IT'S MY BELIEF THAT THE OTHER ACFT HAD NO IDEA OF OUR PRESENCE AND PROBABLY DID NOT HAVE AN OPERATING TCASII DUE TO THEIR INACTION, AND BECAUSE OF THE RADIO SILENCE PRIOR TO THE EVENT, THEN THE UNEASINESS IN THE CTLR'S VOICE AFTER I ALERTED HIM. I THINK IF WE HAD NOT HAD OUR TCASII, THE CHANCES OF SEEING THAT SMALL JET AND HAVING ENOUGH REACTION TIME IS DOUBTFUL. I THOUGHT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN HAVING ALMOST 10000 HRS WITH NO CLOSE CALLS. I'M DEFINITELY CHANGING MY SKEPTICAL ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE VALUE OF TCASII AS MY CREW MEMBERS AND I AGREED THAT WE CAME WAY TOO CLOSE TO A MIDAIR KISS AT 39000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.