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Attributes | |
ACN | 255504 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic enroute airway : zny |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 165 flight time total : 16320 flight time type : 2530 |
ASRS Report | 255504 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
It was discovered by the flight crew at about top of climb that the flight had been dispatched as an ETOPS flight. We were under the impression that it was non-ETOPS since the route was less than 75 mins in a 'benign' area (this aircraft is approved for 120 mins ETOPS in the north atlantic) and we have previously operated this aircraft in this airspace non- ETOPS. Since special pre-departure checks and additional maintenance action is required for ETOPS flts (not completed for this flight), it is essential that we have proper communication between the flcs, dispatch and maintenance as to whether or not a particular flight is being operated ETOPS or needs to be.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT DEPARTED ETOPS WITHOUT THE PROPER PREDEP CHKS AND ADDED MAINT ACTION.
Narrative: IT WAS DISCOVERED BY THE FLC AT ABOUT TOP OF CLB THAT THE FLT HAD BEEN DISPATCHED AS AN ETOPS FLT. WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS NON-ETOPS SINCE THE RTE WAS LESS THAN 75 MINS IN A 'BENIGN' AREA (THIS ACFT IS APPROVED FOR 120 MINS ETOPS IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC) AND WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY OPERATED THIS ACFT IN THIS AIRSPACE NON- ETOPS. SINCE SPECIAL PRE-DEP CHKS AND ADDITIONAL MAINT ACTION IS REQUIRED FOR ETOPS FLTS (NOT COMPLETED FOR THIS FLT), IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE HAVE PROPER COM BTWN THE FLCS, DISPATCH AND MAINT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT A PARTICULAR FLT IS BEING OPERATED ETOPS OR NEEDS TO BE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.