Captain of an medium large transport aircraft inadvertently went over the 'hold short' line during taxi for takeoff due to the lack of taxiway width to turn aircraft around in complying with the tower controller instructions resulting in sending another aircraft around.

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Attributes
ACN	256159
Time
Date	199311
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9000
ASRS Report	256159
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 800
ASRS Report	255974
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

While holding between runway 24L and runway 24R at lax, tower control asked us to make a 180 degree turn on taxiway and hold short of runway 24L. Positioned aircraft ahead and to the right side of taxiway for a left 180 degree turn. About 30-40 degrees into the turn, it was obvious we could not continue the turn safely. Advised tower unable 180 degree turn. At that time tower asked aircraft on short final to runway 24R to go around. About this same time, both captain and I realized we could not see the hold short lights for runway 24R. Result: nose of aircraft may have been slightly over the hold short line for runway 24R.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CAPT OF AN MLG ACFT INADVERTENTLY WENT OVER THE 'HOLD SHORT' LINE DURING TAXI FOR TKOF DUE TO THE LACK OF TXWY WIDTH TO TURN ACFT AROUND IN COMPLYING WITH THE TWR CTLR INSTRUCTIONS RESULTING IN SENDING ANOTHER ACFT AROUND.

Narrative: WHILE HOLDING BTWN RWY 24L AND RWY 24R AT LAX, TWR CTL ASKED US TO MAKE A 180 DEG TURN ON TXWY AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 24L. POSITIONED ACFT AHEAD AND TO THE R SIDE OF TXWY FOR A L 180 DEG TURN. ABOUT 30-40 DEGS INTO THE TURN, IT WAS OBVIOUS WE COULD NOT CONTINUE THE TURN SAFELY. ADVISED TWR UNABLE 180 DEG TURN. AT THAT TIME TWR ASKED ACFT ON SHORT FINAL TO RWY 24R TO GAR. ABOUT THIS SAME TIME, BOTH CAPT AND I REALIZED WE COULD NOT SEE THE HOLD SHORT LIGHTS FOR RWY 24R. RESULT: NOSE OF ACFT MAY HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 24R.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.