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Attributes | |
ACN | 257118 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dxo airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11300 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star enroute airway : zob |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 257118 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 |
ASRS Report | 257120 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Approaching dxo from the north on the polar 1 arrival. We were working with ZOB. At 12000 ft and after passing polar and about 30 mi north of the airport, I requested a lower altitude. ZOB did not respond to us but we could hear the controller talking to other aircraft. At about XA15 local our TCASII gave us a 'TA' at our 1 O'clock position. We were IMC and had the WX radar on. The returns on the radar obscured the traffic return and their altitude. As I turned off the radar and reduced the TCASII range to 10 mi I was thinking this traffic is probably why ZOB did not give us a lower altitude. With the WX returns off we could see the traffic at our 1 O'clock position, 200 ft below us and climbing approximately 3 mi away. At this time we received an RA to descend. The ivsi demanded approximately 3000 FPM descent which we accomplished. We observed the traffic on the screen at our altitude and then above us. At 11500 ft we were given a 'monitor vertical speed' and at 11300 ft a 'clear of conflict.' we leveled off and again contacted the center. The controller said he had been trying to contact us. We told him we were at 11300 ft at which time he turned us over to detroit approach control. We reported to approach control that we were level at 11300 ft (clearance was 12000 ft) because of a TCASII RA. We were very close to the airport at this time and asked for additional vectors to allow us to lose altitude. The rest of the approach and landing was normal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONFLICT WITH CLBING TFC TCASII RA TO DSND.
Narrative: APCHING DXO FROM THE N ON THE POLAR 1 ARR. WE WERE WORKING WITH ZOB. AT 12000 FT AND AFTER PASSING POLAR AND ABOUT 30 MI N OF THE ARPT, I REQUESTED A LOWER ALT. ZOB DID NOT RESPOND TO US BUT WE COULD HEAR THE CTLR TALKING TO OTHER ACFT. AT ABOUT XA15 LCL OUR TCASII GAVE US A 'TA' AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS. WE WERE IMC AND HAD THE WX RADAR ON. THE RETURNS ON THE RADAR OBSCURED THE TFC RETURN AND THEIR ALT. AS I TURNED OFF THE RADAR AND REDUCED THE TCASII RANGE TO 10 MI I WAS THINKING THIS TFC IS PROBABLY WHY ZOB DID NOT GIVE US A LOWER ALT. WITH THE WX RETURNS OFF WE COULD SEE THE TFC AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS, 200 FT BELOW US AND CLBING APPROX 3 MI AWAY. AT THIS TIME WE RECEIVED AN RA TO DSND. THE IVSI DEMANDED APPROX 3000 FPM DSCNT WHICH WE ACCOMPLISHED. WE OBSERVED THE TFC ON THE SCREEN AT OUR ALT AND THEN ABOVE US. AT 11500 FT WE WERE GIVEN A 'MONITOR VERT SPD' AND AT 11300 FT A 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' WE LEVELED OFF AND AGAIN CONTACTED THE CTR. THE CTLR SAID HE HAD BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT US. WE TOLD HIM WE WERE AT 11300 FT AT WHICH TIME HE TURNED US OVER TO DETROIT APCH CTL. WE RPTED TO APCH CTL THAT WE WERE LEVEL AT 11300 FT (CLRNC WAS 12000 FT) BECAUSE OF A TCASII RA. WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO THE ARPT AT THIS TIME AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL VECTORS TO ALLOW US TO LOSE ALT. THE REST OF THE APCH AND LNDG WAS NORMAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.