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Attributes | |
ACN | 258412 |
Time | |
Date | 199312 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sna |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sna |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 258412 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 258288 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
After holding short of runway 19L on taxiway left, we were cleared by tower to cross runway 19L to hold short runway 19R. As we came to edge of runway 19L, we saw a light single engine aircraft turning close-in left base to final for 19L. We stopped abruptly just short of runway edge and the light plane executed a go around. Most of the traffic landing sna was using straight-in approachs from a few mi out. I would guess that the ground controller was used to visually clearing the final, but not looking for close-in base traffic. When questioned about the clearance, the ground controller said that, though she cleared us across, she quickly saw the conflicting traffic and told us to hold short. But, she said her transmission was apparently blocked. There was a garbled and unreadable transmission on frequency at that time. Supplemental information from acn 258288: we stopped abruptly. Did not cross hold line. Small aircraft made abrupt go around. When we asked ATC to explain, controller said she had issued immediately following our clearance to cross, a canceled cross, hold short clearance, which was radio blocked (i.e., stepped on) by other aircraft, and we had even reported to her that her transmit was blocked. We never received or acknowledged receipt of second hold short clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X RWY INCURSION HAD NMAC WITH SMA MAKING GAR.
Narrative: AFTER HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 19L ON TXWY L, WE WERE CLRED BY TWR TO CROSS RWY 19L TO HOLD SHORT RWY 19R. AS WE CAME TO EDGE OF RWY 19L, WE SAW A LIGHT SINGLE ENG ACFT TURNING CLOSE-IN L BASE TO FINAL FOR 19L. WE STOPPED ABRUPTLY JUST SHORT OF RWY EDGE AND THE LIGHT PLANE EXECUTED A GAR. MOST OF THE TFC LNDG SNA WAS USING STRAIGHT-IN APCHS FROM A FEW MI OUT. I WOULD GUESS THAT THE GND CTLR WAS USED TO VISUALLY CLRING THE FINAL, BUT NOT LOOKING FOR CLOSE-IN BASE TFC. WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE CLRNC, THE GND CTLR SAID THAT, THOUGH SHE CLRED US ACROSS, SHE QUICKLY SAW THE CONFLICTING TFC AND TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT. BUT, SHE SAID HER XMISSION WAS APPARENTLY BLOCKED. THERE WAS A GARBLED AND UNREADABLE XMISSION ON FREQ AT THAT TIME. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 258288: WE STOPPED ABRUPTLY. DID NOT CROSS HOLD LINE. SMA MADE ABRUPT GAR. WHEN WE ASKED ATC TO EXPLAIN, CTLR SAID SHE HAD ISSUED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING OUR CLRNC TO CROSS, A CANCELED CROSS, HOLD SHORT CLRNC, WHICH WAS RADIO BLOCKED (I.E., STEPPED ON) BY OTHER ACFT, AND WE HAD EVEN RPTED TO HER THAT HER XMIT WAS BLOCKED. WE NEVER RECEIVED OR ACKNOWLEDGED RECEIPT OF SECOND HOLD SHORT CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.