Runway excursion after loss of aircraft control.

Attributes
ACN	260599
Time
Date	199401
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : syr
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-9 30
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 195 flight time total : 14200 flight time type : 9700
ASRS Report	260599
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	260412
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Weather
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Upon normal touchdown on runway 28 at syr after shooting the ILS runway 28 CAT ii, the aircraft immediately began to drift to the left of runway centerline. Rudder and braking were used to straighten the drifting, but were of little help. Got aircraft started back to the right, but was unable to stop movement to the right of centerline this time. The aircraft came to a stop approximately 4500 ft down runway 28 just west of taxiway F with the nose gear 10 ft off the runway edge pointed approximately 360 degrees (north) or 80 degrees off of runway heading. 26 passenger were on board with no reported injuries. Passenger were deplaned via forward air stairs to a bus when attempts to move aircraft had failed by ground crew. I feel what really caused the problem was the airport authority/authorized not closing the airport. Snow was falling at 3 plus inches an hour and the runway was in need of plowing. Supplemental information from acn 260412: reverse thrust was not used at all and in my opinion would only have aggravated the situation. The runway did have some snow on it and aided in the deceleration of the aircraft without the need for reverse thrust.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RWY EXCURSION AFTER LOSS OF ACFT CTL.

Narrative: UPON NORMAL TOUCHDOWN ON RWY 28 AT SYR AFTER SHOOTING THE ILS RWY 28 CAT II, THE ACFT IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TO DRIFT TO THE L OF RWY CTRLINE. RUDDER AND BRAKING WERE USED TO STRAIGHTEN THE DRIFTING, BUT WERE OF LITTLE HELP. GOT ACFT STARTED BACK TO THE R, BUT WAS UNABLE TO STOP MOVEMENT TO THE R OF CTRLINE THIS TIME. THE ACFT CAME TO A STOP APPROX 4500 FT DOWN RWY 28 JUST W OF TXWY F WITH THE NOSE GEAR 10 FT OFF THE RWY EDGE POINTED APPROX 360 DEGS (N) OR 80 DEGS OFF OF RWY HDG. 26 PAX WERE ON BOARD WITH NO RPTED INJURIES. PAX WERE DEPLANED VIA FORWARD AIR STAIRS TO A BUS WHEN ATTEMPTS TO MOVE ACFT HAD FAILED BY GND CREW. I FEEL WHAT REALLY CAUSED THE PROB WAS THE ARPT AUTH NOT CLOSING THE ARPT. SNOW WAS FALLING AT 3 PLUS INCHES AN HR AND THE RWY WAS IN NEED OF PLOWING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 260412: REVERSE THRUST WAS NOT USED AT ALL AND IN MY OPINION WOULD ONLY HAVE AGGRAVATED THE SIT. THE RWY DID HAVE SOME SNOW ON IT AND AIDED IN THE DECELERATION OF THE ACFT WITHOUT THE NEED FOR REVERSE THRUST.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.