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Attributes | |
ACN | 264444 |
Time | |
Date | 199402 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2200 msl bound upper : 2200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 264444 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On approach to ILS runway 24R lax, broke out at 5000 ft MSL. Stayed on IFR approach. At marker got a TA. Traffic at right 1 O'clock 500 ft high and descending. Commuter passed over us at 300 ft. Approach never told us of traffic and we go no RA on TCASII. Captain called approach control on the ground and supervisor blew us off. Said we were under VFR conditions and that the traffic had been called out 30 mi prior. 30 mi prior, we were in the clouds. Problems: controller lost big picture. Supervisor nonchalant to potential problem. TCASII did not give us an RA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT HAS NMAC ON APCH.
Narrative: ON APCH TO ILS RWY 24R LAX, BROKE OUT AT 5000 FT MSL. STAYED ON IFR APCH. AT MARKER GOT A TA. TFC AT R 1 O'CLOCK 500 FT HIGH AND DSNDING. COMMUTER PASSED OVER US AT 300 FT. APCH NEVER TOLD US OF TFC AND WE GO NO RA ON TCASII. CAPT CALLED APCH CTL ON THE GND AND SUPVR BLEW US OFF. SAID WE WERE UNDER VFR CONDITIONS AND THAT THE TFC HAD BEEN CALLED OUT 30 MI PRIOR. 30 MI PRIOR, WE WERE IN THE CLOUDS. PROBS: CTLR LOST BIG PICTURE. SUPVR NONCHALANT TO POTENTIAL PROB. TCASII DID NOT GIVE US AN RA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.