Instructor pilot of an small aircraft sel aircraft failed to stop at the runway hold line resulting ...

Narrative:

Enclosed is a diagram of the airport. I marked in red where the hold line is. I had flown with a student to danbury to look at airplanes for sale. When we left isp the winds were 8 KTS. By the time we arrived at dxr they were 14 KTS. When we left they were gusting. As we were taxiing to runway 26 my student was having difficulty and I was constantly correcting him to maintain centerline. We stopped at the intersection of the 2 runways. The ground controller asked if we wanted an intersection takeoff. I replied 'no' and she cleared us to the full length. I must guess that as we came upon the hold line my attention was on my student. I didn't expect a hold line that far from the takeoff end of the runway. No airport I've ever been in has had a hold line that far down a runway with no entrance to the runway at that point. I assumed the hold line was on the entrance to the runway and I couldn't see it from that far away so I wasn't looking for the hold line at that point. When the controller told us to stop I did. They didn't come back to me until I finally asked if there was a problem. Then I was informed of the hold line, asked if ready for takeoff and, with an affirmative reply, told to contact the tower controller. We were then cleared to takeoff. Upon getting back to isp, I looked again in the AFD to see if there was a note about the unusual place of the hold line. (I had read about dxr in the AFD prior to leaving home base.) I then checked the tann guide and airway manual. None had a note or any mention of where the hold line is. While I realize I was remiss in not seeing it, I know that had I known it was that far from the entrance to the full length end of the active runway, I would have not gone through it. It made me wonder if this might not be a possible ongoing problem to people using runway 26 at danbury for the first time. It would be easy to remedy by either having a note in the AFD or airway manual or having the ground controller mention it.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT OF AN SMA SEL ACFT FAILED TO STOP AT THE RWY HOLD LINE RESULTING IN THE TWR CTLR INTERVENTION.

Narrative: ENCLOSED IS A DIAGRAM OF THE ARPT. I MARKED IN RED WHERE THE HOLD LINE IS. I HAD FLOWN WITH A STUDENT TO DANBURY TO LOOK AT AIRPLANES FOR SALE. WHEN WE LEFT ISP THE WINDS WERE 8 KTS. BY THE TIME WE ARRIVED AT DXR THEY WERE 14 KTS. WHEN WE LEFT THEY WERE GUSTING. AS WE WERE TAXIING TO RWY 26 MY STUDENT WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY AND I WAS CONSTANTLY CORRECTING HIM TO MAINTAIN CTRLINE. WE STOPPED AT THE INTXN OF THE 2 RWYS. THE GND CTLR ASKED IF WE WANTED AN INTXN TKOF. I REPLIED 'NO' AND SHE CLRED US TO THE FULL LENGTH. I MUST GUESS THAT AS WE CAME UPON THE HOLD LINE MY ATTN WAS ON MY STUDENT. I DIDN'T EXPECT A HOLD LINE THAT FAR FROM THE TKOF END OF THE RWY. NO ARPT I'VE EVER BEEN IN HAS HAD A HOLD LINE THAT FAR DOWN A RWY WITH NO ENTRANCE TO THE RWY AT THAT POINT. I ASSUMED THE HOLD LINE WAS ON THE ENTRANCE TO THE RWY AND I COULDN'T SEE IT FROM THAT FAR AWAY SO I WASN'T LOOKING FOR THE HOLD LINE AT THAT POINT. WHEN THE CTLR TOLD US TO STOP I DID. THEY DIDN'T COME BACK TO ME UNTIL I FINALLY ASKED IF THERE WAS A PROB. THEN I WAS INFORMED OF THE HOLD LINE, ASKED IF READY FOR TKOF AND, WITH AN AFFIRMATIVE REPLY, TOLD TO CONTACT THE TWR CTLR. WE WERE THEN CLRED TO TKOF. UPON GETTING BACK TO ISP, I LOOKED AGAIN IN THE AFD TO SEE IF THERE WAS A NOTE ABOUT THE UNUSUAL PLACE OF THE HOLD LINE. (I HAD READ ABOUT DXR IN THE AFD PRIOR TO LEAVING HOME BASE.) I THEN CHKED THE TANN GUIDE AND AIRWAY MANUAL. NONE HAD A NOTE OR ANY MENTION OF WHERE THE HOLD LINE IS. WHILE I REALIZE I WAS REMISS IN NOT SEEING IT, I KNOW THAT HAD I KNOWN IT WAS THAT FAR FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE FULL LENGTH END OF THE ACTIVE RWY, I WOULD HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH IT. IT MADE ME WONDER IF THIS MIGHT NOT BE A POSSIBLE ONGOING PROB TO PEOPLE USING RWY 26 AT DANBURY FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT WOULD BE EASY TO REMEDY BY EITHER HAVING A NOTE IN THE AFD OR AIRWAY MANUAL OR HAVING THE GND CTLR MENTION IT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	269109
Time
Date	199404
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dxr
State Reference	CT
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 3175 flight time type : 80
ASRS Report	269109
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Instructor pilot of an small aircraft sel aircraft failed to stop at the runway hold line resulting in the tower controller intervention.