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Attributes | |
ACN | 269117 |
Time | |
Date | 199404 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 269917 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 269737 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Situation: visual approach to runway 18R at dfw. WX: 10 NM visibility with a little haze and a thin scattered layer around 7000 ft. We called field in sight about 10 NM out and were told to 'turn right to 160 degree and intercept final to 18R.' leveling at 3000 ft and just about to intercept final to 18R, an RA popped up on TCASII about 2 NM off our nose and approximately 500 ft below and climbing. No TA was involved either by TCASII or approach control. The first verbal command was 'monitor vertical speed' followed shortly by 'climb, climb.' captain (PF) initiated go around power and pulled up missing the traffic by 200 ft vertically and less than 1/2 NM horizontally. We looked but never saw the traffic. We communicated our climb to approach control and were told the traffic had 'just been idented' and asked if we saw him. We said 'no' and resumed our visual approach to landing at dfw. The captain called the approach control supervisor on the phone upon landing and was told there was a shift change after this incident and he didn't know anything about it. He said he would bring it up with the off-going supervisor. My concern is: why was there an aircraft in class B airspace that approach didn't know about until after it was a threat to us. Why would an aircraft be climbing into an approach corridor into a major airport. Supplemental information from acn 269737: target showed minus 200 ft right below us on TCASII screen before power came up and we climbed away. We stopped our climb at 3700 ft after RA ceased. Controller said he was sorry he had not called out traffic but target had only just turned on his transponder for identify. Concerns: we should have had TA without altitude, without a transponder on target plane. Nobody knew anything abut the incident 20 min later when I called approach control. Sounds fishy to me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POP UP TFC ALERTS ACRS TCASII RA ON APCH INTO DFW IN PROX OF TCA CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: SIT: VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18R AT DFW. WX: 10 NM VISIBILITY WITH A LITTLE HAZE AND A THIN SCATTERED LAYER AROUND 7000 FT. WE CALLED FIELD IN SIGHT ABOUT 10 NM OUT AND WERE TOLD TO 'TURN R TO 160 DEG AND INTERCEPT FINAL TO 18R.' LEVELING AT 3000 FT AND JUST ABOUT TO INTERCEPT FINAL TO 18R, AN RA POPPED UP ON TCASII ABOUT 2 NM OFF OUR NOSE AND APPROX 500 FT BELOW AND CLBING. NO TA WAS INVOLVED EITHER BY TCASII OR APCH CTL. THE FIRST VERBAL COMMAND WAS 'MONITOR VERT SPD' FOLLOWED SHORTLY BY 'CLB, CLB.' CAPT (PF) INITIATED GAR PWR AND PULLED UP MISSING THE TFC BY 200 FT VERTLY AND LESS THAN 1/2 NM HORIZLY. WE LOOKED BUT NEVER SAW THE TFC. WE COMMUNICATED OUR CLB TO APCH CTL AND WERE TOLD THE TFC HAD 'JUST BEEN IDENTED' AND ASKED IF WE SAW HIM. WE SAID 'NO' AND RESUMED OUR VISUAL APCH TO LNDG AT DFW. THE CAPT CALLED THE APCH CTL SUPVR ON THE PHONE UPON LNDG AND WAS TOLD THERE WAS A SHIFT CHANGE AFTER THIS INCIDENT AND HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. HE SAID HE WOULD BRING IT UP WITH THE OFF-GOING SUPVR. MY CONCERN IS: WHY WAS THERE AN ACFT IN CLASS B AIRSPACE THAT APCH DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT UNTIL AFTER IT WAS A THREAT TO US. WHY WOULD AN ACFT BE CLBING INTO AN APCH CORRIDOR INTO A MAJOR ARPT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 269737: TARGET SHOWED MINUS 200 FT RIGHT BELOW US ON TCASII SCREEN BEFORE PWR CAME UP AND WE CLBED AWAY. WE STOPPED OUR CLB AT 3700 FT AFTER RA CEASED. CTLR SAID HE WAS SORRY HE HAD NOT CALLED OUT TFC BUT TARGET HAD ONLY JUST TURNED ON HIS XPONDER FOR IDENT. CONCERNS: WE SHOULD HAVE HAD TA WITHOUT ALT, WITHOUT A XPONDER ON TARGET PLANE. NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABUT THE INCIDENT 20 MIN LATER WHEN I CALLED APCH CTL. SOUNDS FISHY TO ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.