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Attributes | |
ACN | 271644 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 271644 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had been flying a long 4 leg pattern and were on the last leg, ord to slc to smf to sea to smf. We had been dispatched with the fmcs and CDU inoperative for the 4 legs. On the smf, sea leg I reviewed the sea smf flight plan and knew that it required the use of the 'long range navigation equipment' -- 'fmcs and CDU.' with the fmcs and CDU inoperative, I requested dispatch change the flight plan to 'airways' routing. Dispatch sent me a copy and called it release 2. Good, I thought, now we are legal! On departure from sea to smf, the pre departure clearance came back as cleared via our original release 1 -- long-range navigation required. Well, I thought, I will accept it as the first part of the flight did not require the long- range stuff, then change the routing later in the flight. I thought the company had just not filed the route that they had sent me. While flying the SID on the original release, departure questioned the SID we were flying and we told them we were flying the pre departure clearance routing. They thought we were to fly the SID assigned to release 2, which is not even included in the clearance on the release 2. So ATC's pre departure clearance knows release 1 and departure control knows release 2. This is not right or fair to any crew, let alone one that has made a fuel stop in slc on a long day flying with the fmcs and CDU inoperative for the first time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF ACR MLG FAILED TO FOLLOW THE SID DEP TO WHICH THEY WERE CLRED.
Narrative: WE HAD BEEN FLYING A LONG 4 LEG PATTERN AND WERE ON THE LAST LEG, ORD TO SLC TO SMF TO SEA TO SMF. WE HAD BEEN DISPATCHED WITH THE FMCS AND CDU INOP FOR THE 4 LEGS. ON THE SMF, SEA LEG I REVIEWED THE SEA SMF FLT PLAN AND KNEW THAT IT REQUIRED THE USE OF THE 'LONG RANGE NAV EQUIP' -- 'FMCS AND CDU.' WITH THE FMCS AND CDU INOP, I REQUESTED DISPATCH CHANGE THE FLT PLAN TO 'AIRWAYS' ROUTING. DISPATCH SENT ME A COPY AND CALLED IT RELEASE 2. GOOD, I THOUGHT, NOW WE ARE LEGAL! ON DEP FROM SEA TO SMF, THE PDC CAME BACK AS CLRED VIA OUR ORIGINAL RELEASE 1 -- LONG-RANGE NAV REQUIRED. WELL, I THOUGHT, I WILL ACCEPT IT AS THE FIRST PART OF THE FLT DID NOT REQUIRE THE LONG- RANGE STUFF, THEN CHANGE THE ROUTING LATER IN THE FLT. I THOUGHT THE COMPANY HAD JUST NOT FILED THE RTE THAT THEY HAD SENT ME. WHILE FLYING THE SID ON THE ORIGINAL RELEASE, DEP QUESTIONED THE SID WE WERE FLYING AND WE TOLD THEM WE WERE FLYING THE PDC ROUTING. THEY THOUGHT WE WERE TO FLY THE SID ASSIGNED TO RELEASE 2, WHICH IS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN THE CLRNC ON THE RELEASE 2. SO ATC'S PDC KNOWS RELEASE 1 AND DEP CTL KNOWS RELEASE 2. THIS IS NOT RIGHT OR FAIR TO ANY CREW, LET ALONE ONE THAT HAS MADE A FUEL STOP IN SLC ON A LONG DAY FLYING WITH THE FMCS AND CDU INOP FOR THE FIRST TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.