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Attributes | |
ACN | 272620 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dpk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 21000 msl bound upper : 21000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 263 flight time total : 5743 flight time type : 4209 |
ASRS Report | 272620 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were level at 21000 ft as cleared by ZDC. While established on the bound 2 arrival around 7 mi (DME) from bound intersection. I asked the captain if we were given a clearance to cross bound at 17000 ft as we usually are cleared. The captain said no, and I asked him to check with center. When we contacted the center, center asked us our present position. After letting the controller know, he told us to switch to ZNY on 132.95. When we checked in with the center, he told us that he had been trying to contact us for the last 5 mins. We responded that ZDC just gave us the frequency change. Then the controller proceeded to give a descending clearance. (No restr) to 17000 ft, but by then we were already past bound.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A LATE FREQ CHANGE CAUSED A LATE DSCNT.
Narrative: WE WERE LEVEL AT 21000 FT AS CLRED BY ZDC. WHILE ESTABLISHED ON THE BOUND 2 ARR AROUND 7 MI (DME) FROM BOUND INTXN. I ASKED THE CAPT IF WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS BOUND AT 17000 FT AS WE USUALLY ARE CLRED. THE CAPT SAID NO, AND I ASKED HIM TO CHK WITH CTR. WHEN WE CONTACTED THE CTR, CTR ASKED US OUR PRESENT POS. AFTER LETTING THE CTLR KNOW, HE TOLD US TO SWITCH TO ZNY ON 132.95. WHEN WE CHKED IN WITH THE CTR, HE TOLD US THAT HE HAD BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT US FOR THE LAST 5 MINS. WE RESPONDED THAT ZDC JUST GAVE US THE FREQ CHANGE. THEN THE CTLR PROCEEDED TO GIVE A DSNDING CLRNC. (NO RESTR) TO 17000 FT, BUT BY THEN WE WERE ALREADY PAST BOUND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.