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Attributes | |
ACN | 272759 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : snp |
State Reference | AK |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zan tower : pae |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 6500 |
ASRS Report | 272759 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
After departure from snp ATC advised me that we had both made a mistake. They had cleared us for, and we had executed and landed from, the localizer approach to runway 36. The problem was that there was an fdc NOTAM in effect for snp that made the localizer back course unusable. This also made the front course localizer approach. Illegal because the missed approach is based on the back course. I advised ATC that I had noticed that particular NOTAM several days earlier, but it was not included in the NOTAMS for this day. I had assumed that the back course was back in service. It turns out that we did not receive fdc NOTAMS on this day. When I returned to anc, I notified our chief dispatcher of this problem, and he said he would check it out. When I reported to dispatch this morning, it was the same thing. The flight paperwork contained the usual NOTAMS for snp, but nothing about the back course. After departure from anc I called kenai FSS and requested the current fdc NOTAMS for snp. They reported the localizer back course was unusable. I then called dispatch and reported this anomaly. The dispatcher did some checking and found the missing NOTAMS and read them to me. Why don't we get these NOTAMS before we leave?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FAULTY NOTAM DISTRIBUTION LEADS TO AN ILLEGAL APCH.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM SNP ATC ADVISED ME THAT WE HAD BOTH MADE A MISTAKE. THEY HAD CLRED US FOR, AND WE HAD EXECUTED AND LANDED FROM, THE LOC APCH TO RWY 36. THE PROB WAS THAT THERE WAS AN FDC NOTAM IN EFFECT FOR SNP THAT MADE THE LOC BACK COURSE UNUSABLE. THIS ALSO MADE THE FRONT COURSE LOC APCH. ILLEGAL BECAUSE THE MISSED APCH IS BASED ON THE BACK COURSE. I ADVISED ATC THAT I HAD NOTICED THAT PARTICULAR NOTAM SEVERAL DAYS EARLIER, BUT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NOTAMS FOR THIS DAY. I HAD ASSUMED THAT THE BACK COURSE WAS BACK IN SVC. IT TURNS OUT THAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE FDC NOTAMS ON THIS DAY. WHEN I RETURNED TO ANC, I NOTIFIED OUR CHIEF DISPATCHER OF THIS PROB, AND HE SAID HE WOULD CHK IT OUT. WHEN I RPTED TO DISPATCH THIS MORNING, IT WAS THE SAME THING. THE FLT PAPERWORK CONTAINED THE USUAL NOTAMS FOR SNP, BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE BACK COURSE. AFTER DEP FROM ANC I CALLED KENAI FSS AND REQUESTED THE CURRENT FDC NOTAMS FOR SNP. THEY RPTED THE LOC BACK COURSE WAS UNUSABLE. I THEN CALLED DISPATCH AND RPTED THIS ANOMALY. THE DISPATCHER DID SOME CHKING AND FOUND THE MISSING NOTAMS AND READ THEM TO ME. WHY DON'T WE GET THESE NOTAMS BEFORE WE LEAVE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.