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Attributes | |
ACN | 273180 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : san |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : san |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 273180 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This is probably the beginning of a long volume of NASA reports to be written in the future based on long days and fatigue. No matter how hard we try after 6-7 legs and 14 1/2 hours we begin to let down a little -- enough to bust altitudes, break speed limits, etc. PNF (captain) (me), was pressed outside looking for traffic inbound to san. PF flew through 10000 ft at 280 KTS. I glanced inside in time to begin the slow down at 9000 ft. He (PNF/ first officer) was distracted outside looking for traffic and after 5 legs and a full day of flying was just plain tired and not as alert. So was I, if U-2 (new type of schedule) becomes a reality at our in air carrier we are going to see more of lapse of concentration errors due to fatigue. While I'm at it here just an unrelated note about sfo parallel visuals. Sfo visuals are dangerous. Someday, I believe, an accident will happen due to strong xwinds, an airplane turning final on the quiet bridge 28 (belly up) and an airplane on the tiptoe. Particularly at night I have seen many quiet bridge 28 aircraft overshoot: almost hitting their parallel traffic. Someone is going to get hit unless the visuals are staggered! I see it all the time as a 737-200 captain flying the west coast.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN ACR MLG EXCEEDED THE 10000 FT 250 KT AIRSPD LIMITATION DURING DSCNT.
Narrative: THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEGINNING OF A LONG VOLUME OF NASA RPTS TO BE WRITTEN IN THE FUTURE BASED ON LONG DAYS AND FATIGUE. NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY AFTER 6-7 LEGS AND 14 1/2 HRS WE BEGIN TO LET DOWN A LITTLE -- ENOUGH TO BUST ALTS, BREAK SPD LIMITS, ETC. PNF (CAPT) (ME), WAS PRESSED OUTSIDE LOOKING FOR TFC INBOUND TO SAN. PF FLEW THROUGH 10000 FT AT 280 KTS. I GLANCED INSIDE IN TIME TO BEGIN THE SLOW DOWN AT 9000 FT. HE (PNF/ FO) WAS DISTRACTED OUTSIDE LOOKING FOR TFC AND AFTER 5 LEGS AND A FULL DAY OF FLYING WAS JUST PLAIN TIRED AND NOT AS ALERT. SO WAS I, IF U-2 (NEW TYPE OF SCHEDULE) BECOMES A REALITY AT OUR IN ACR WE ARE GOING TO SEE MORE OF LAPSE OF CONCENTRATION ERRORS DUE TO FATIGUE. WHILE I'M AT IT HERE JUST AN UNRELATED NOTE ABOUT SFO PARALLEL VISUALS. SFO VISUALS ARE DANGEROUS. SOMEDAY, I BELIEVE, AN ACCIDENT WILL HAPPEN DUE TO STRONG XWINDS, AN AIRPLANE TURNING FINAL ON THE QUIET BRIDGE 28 (BELLY UP) AND AN AIRPLANE ON THE TIPTOE. PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT I HAVE SEEN MANY QUIET BRIDGE 28 ACFT OVERSHOOT: ALMOST HITTING THEIR PARALLEL TFC. SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HIT UNLESS THE VISUALS ARE STAGGERED! I SEE IT ALL THE TIME AS A 737-200 CAPT FLYING THE WEST COAST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.