Air carrier X TCASII TA RA with VFR Y. Evasive action taken. See and avoid concept.

Attributes
ACN	273861
Time
Date	199406
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : mco
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	enroute : direct enroute airway : zjx
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation I
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 8500
ASRS Report	273861
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4000
ASRS Report	274521
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 3000 vertical : 500
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Air carrier X on climb out of mco. We were cleared to climb to FL230. ATC (ZJX 134.0) called VFR traffic, a citation Y at 17,500 ft. We responded by stating 'we're looking, don't see him, still don't see him.' we got a TCASII TA, then an RA with a 2000 FPM descend command. We made a right turn and follwed TCASII instructions with a 2000 FPM descent as we gained a visual with the traffic slightly above (close) and left. We queried ATC and his exact words were, 'if you didn't want to climb, you didn't have to.' at no time did we say we had the traffic and/or would accept responsibility for visual separation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR X TCASII TA RA WITH VFR Y. EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN. SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT.

Narrative: ACR X ON CLBOUT OF MCO. WE WERE CLRED TO CLB TO FL230. ATC (ZJX 134.0) CALLED VFR TFC, A CITATION Y AT 17,500 FT. WE RESPONDED BY STATING 'WE'RE LOOKING, DON'T SEE HIM, STILL DON'T SEE HIM.' WE GOT A TCASII TA, THEN AN RA WITH A 2000 FPM DSND COMMAND. WE MADE A R TURN AND FOLLWED TCASII INSTRUCTIONS WITH A 2000 FPM DSCNT AS WE GAINED A VISUAL WITH THE TFC SLIGHTLY ABOVE (CLOSE) AND L. WE QUERIED ATC AND HIS EXACT WORDS WERE, 'IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO CLB, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.' AT NO TIME DID WE SAY WE HAD THE TFC AND/OR WOULD ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR VISUAL SEPARATION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.