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Attributes | |
ACN | 275998 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4800 |
ASRS Report | 275998 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
4 mi behind a boeing 757 at 3000 ft and just cleared to 2700 ft and cleared for the approach. The boeing intercepted the GS above us at about 4000 ft. Suddenly we hit his wake turbulence and began rapidly rolling to the left. At about 30 degree bank, both I and my first officer were applying maximum effort to roll to the right. The roll stopped at about 45 degrees and the subsequent rollout was very rapid because of the maximum effort applied in the wake. The incident was reported to ATC and they really did not know what to say (they were following accepted procedures). It is common practice for turboprops to intercept the GS at a lower altitude than heavy jets. Even with minimum separation behind these heavies, sooner or later you are going to fly into the descending wake when intercepting the GS. Solution: 1) double the separation for turboprops behind these heavies (not always practical for the controller and turboprop pilots). 2) when a turboprop is following a heavy, have both intercept at the same altitude so that the descending wake is always below the turboprop reciprocating engine airplane and the smaller corporate jets. Note: this was my second encounter with wake behind a B757. The first was in the climb (2000 ft plus AGL) and I don't really know how that could be avoided in the real world.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LTT EXPERIENCED WAKE TURB BEHIND A B-757.
Narrative: 4 MI BEHIND A BOEING 757 AT 3000 FT AND JUST CLRED TO 2700 FT AND CLRED FOR THE APCH. THE BOEING INTERCEPTED THE GS ABOVE US AT ABOUT 4000 FT. SUDDENLY WE HIT HIS WAKE TURB AND BEGAN RAPIDLY ROLLING TO THE L. AT ABOUT 30 DEG BANK, BOTH I AND MY FO WERE APPLYING MAXIMUM EFFORT TO ROLL TO THE R. THE ROLL STOPPED AT ABOUT 45 DEGS AND THE SUBSEQUENT ROLLOUT WAS VERY RAPID BECAUSE OF THE MAXIMUM EFFORT APPLIED IN THE WAKE. THE INCIDENT WAS RPTED TO ATC AND THEY REALLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY (THEY WERE FOLLOWING ACCEPTED PROCS). IT IS COMMON PRACTICE FOR TURBOPROPS TO INTERCEPT THE GS AT A LOWER ALT THAN HVY JETS. EVEN WITH MINIMUM SEPARATION BEHIND THESE HEAVIES, SOONER OR LATER YOU ARE GOING TO FLY INTO THE DSNDING WAKE WHEN INTERCEPTING THE GS. SOLUTION: 1) DOUBLE THE SEPARATION FOR TURBOPROPS BEHIND THESE HEAVIES (NOT ALWAYS PRACTICAL FOR THE CTLR AND TURBOPROP PLTS). 2) WHEN A TURBOPROP IS FOLLOWING A HVY, HAVE BOTH INTERCEPT AT THE SAME ALT SO THAT THE DSNDING WAKE IS ALWAYS BELOW THE TURBOPROP RECIPROCATING ENG AIRPLANE AND THE SMALLER CORPORATE JETS. NOTE: THIS WAS MY SECOND ENCOUNTER WITH WAKE BEHIND A B757. THE FIRST WAS IN THE CLB (2000 FT PLUS AGL) AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THAT COULD BE AVOIDED IN THE REAL WORLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.