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Attributes | |
ACN | 363861 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6700 flight time type : 2300 |
ASRS Report | 363861 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While in contact with mia approach control, on assigned heading, we observed an aircraft on our TCASII that appeared in front of us. As we observed that aircraft descend on our TCASII, we encountered moderate roll from that aircraft and initiated recovery. Our flight attendant reported that the roll caused her to lose balance, and fall into a passenger seat armrest. She said she was ok to continue the trip. Approach control at mia routinely slows propjets on long final, then drops jet aircraft in front of us, so that they descend through our altitude, separation is often the FAA recommended minimum. Staying above GS, and watching the other aircraft on TCASII prevents upset most of the time. Wake avoidance is not always possible. Occurrence of this type is all too common at mia. When on a non precision approach, where we do not have GS information, the problem becomes even more of a concern. Approach control calls it compression. It is a major accident waiting to happen. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter participated in the wake turbulence callback, see separate report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF LTT ON APCH TO MIA EXPERIENCED WAKE TURB FROM A PROCEEDING MLG ACR. RPTR STATES THAT APCH CTL TOO OFTEN DSNDS FLTS FROM ABOVE THE TURBOPROP RTES INTO IT.
Narrative: WHILE IN CONTACT WITH MIA APCH CTL, ON ASSIGNED HEADING, WE OBSERVED AN ACFT ON OUR TCASII THAT APPEARED IN FRONT OF US. AS WE OBSERVED THAT ACFT DSND ON OUR TCASII, WE ENCOUNTERED MODERATE ROLL FROM THAT ACFT AND INITIATED RECOVERY. OUR FLT ATTENDANT RPTED THAT THE ROLL CAUSED HER TO LOSE BAL, AND FALL INTO A PAX SEAT ARMREST. SHE SAID SHE WAS OK TO CONTINUE THE TRIP. APCH CTL AT MIA ROUTINELY SLOWS PROPJETS ON LONG FINAL, THEN DROPS JET ACFT IN FRONT OF US, SO THAT THEY DSND THROUGH OUR ALT, SEPARATION IS OFTEN THE FAA RECOMMENDED MINIMUM. STAYING ABOVE GS, AND WATCHING THE OTHER ACFT ON TCASII PREVENTS UPSET MOST OF THE TIME. WAKE AVOIDANCE IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE. OCCURRENCE OF THIS TYPE IS ALL TOO COMMON AT MIA. WHEN ON A NON PRECISION APCH, WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE GS INFO, THE PROB BECOMES EVEN MORE OF A CONCERN. APCH CTL CALLS IT COMPRESSION. IT IS A MAJOR ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR PARTICIPATED IN THE WAKE TURB CALLBACK, SEE SEPARATE RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.