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Attributes | |
ACN | 282182 |
Time | |
Date | 199409 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jnc |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Balloon |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 3 controller radar : 24 controller supervisory : 1 |
ASRS Report | 282182 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 0 |
Narrative:
Air carrier X reported a balloon (presumed WX balloon) at his location and altitude. Are we going to wait until an aircraft collides with a balloon before we scrap the outdated system of gathering WX? Since most aircraft have inertial navigation system, they can provide better and more frequent information than WX balloons. I know that some communities will lose some money and perhaps a job or two, but let's try to improve the system before an accident happens. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated the flight crew reported they missed the balloon by 200 ft same altitude, on follow-up, the balloon was found to have been released from gjt WX station. Reporter stated the balloons are released twice a day for winds aloft reports. WX gets pilot reports of winds aloft from flcs via data link.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X HAD NMAC WITH UNMANNED WX BALLOON.
Narrative: ACR X RPTED A BALLOON (PRESUMED WX BALLOON) AT HIS LOCATION AND ALT. ARE WE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AN ACFT COLLIDES WITH A BALLOON BEFORE WE SCRAP THE OUTDATED SYS OF GATHERING WX? SINCE MOST ACFT HAVE INERTIAL NAV SYS, THEY CAN PROVIDE BETTER AND MORE FREQUENT INFO THAN WX BALLOONS. I KNOW THAT SOME COMMUNITIES WILL LOSE SOME MONEY AND PERHAPS A JOB OR TWO, BUT LET'S TRY TO IMPROVE THE SYS BEFORE AN ACCIDENT HAPPENS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THE FLC RPTED THEY MISSED THE BALLOON BY 200 FT SAME ALT, ON FOLLOW-UP, THE BALLOON WAS FOUND TO HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM GJT WX STATION. RPTR STATED THE BALLOONS ARE RELEASED TWICE A DAY FOR WINDS ALOFT RPTS. WX GETS PLT RPTS OF WINDS ALOFT FROM FLCS VIA DATA LINK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.