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Attributes | |
ACN | 282185 |
Time | |
Date | 199409 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : crq |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 800 msl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : crq |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 9150 |
ASRS Report | 282185 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 200 |
Narrative:
While conducting flight training with a primary student (pattern work) we were told by the tower controller to go around and turn an early crosswind. After my student turned to the crosswind leg and while still climbing to pattern altitude we both saw a single engine cessna that was maneuvering to avoid us. At that time, we heard the tower controller tell us he had tried to call us 2 previous times with instructions for avoiding the conflicting traffic. The tower frequency was very congested at this time and I was also explaining to my student what was happening during this time. As a result, the tower controllers xmissions were lost in the clutter. I feel this occurrence could have been avoided if the tower controller had not initially told us to turn an early crosswind. Also, during flight training, it is better to keep instructional talk to a minimum during any critical flight periods.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TRAINING IN PROGRESS. NMAC IN THE TFC PATTERN.
Narrative: WHILE CONDUCTING FLT TRAINING WITH A PRIMARY STUDENT (PATTERN WORK) WE WERE TOLD BY THE TWR CTLR TO GAR AND TURN AN EARLY XWIND. AFTER MY STUDENT TURNED TO THE XWIND LEG AND WHILE STILL CLBING TO PATTERN ALT WE BOTH SAW A SINGLE ENG CESSNA THAT WAS MANEUVERING TO AVOID US. AT THAT TIME, WE HEARD THE TWR CTLR TELL US HE HAD TRIED TO CALL US 2 PREVIOUS TIMES WITH INSTRUCTIONS FOR AVOIDING THE CONFLICTING TFC. THE TWR FREQ WAS VERY CONGESTED AT THIS TIME AND I WAS ALSO EXPLAINING TO MY STUDENT WHAT WAS HAPPENING DURING THIS TIME. AS A RESULT, THE TWR CTLRS XMISSIONS WERE LOST IN THE CLUTTER. I FEEL THIS OCCURRENCE COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE TWR CTLR HAD NOT INITIALLY TOLD US TO TURN AN EARLY XWIND. ALSO, DURING FLT TRAINING, IT IS BETTER TO KEEP INSTRUCTIONAL TALK TO A MINIMUM DURING ANY CRITICAL FLT PERIODS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.