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Attributes | |
ACN | 285651 |
Time | |
Date | 199410 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : avl |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cou |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 285651 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After a 1 1/2 hour delay at avl in the early morning, I asked local controller what the visibility was for a runway 16 takeoff. He responded that RVV values for runway 34 were guiding for runway 34 takeoff and runway 16 was prevailing visibility. Takeoff minimums for runways 16/34 were 1/4 mi, however at the departure end of runway 16 visibility was at least 1/4 mi. Tower was calling the visibility 1/8 and rapidly improving. We departed avl with normal takeoff conditions. Upon further research it appears that a pilot with 20 yrs experience does not have the authority/authorized to make a WX judgement at this time and the tower visibility of 1/8 mi was controling. I was, however, told by the local controller that if I was comfortable with the visibility as I called it that I could depart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG TKOF BELOW REQUIRED MINIMUMS.
Narrative: AFTER A 1 1/2 HR DELAY AT AVL IN THE EARLY MORNING, I ASKED LCL CTLR WHAT THE VISIBILITY WAS FOR A RWY 16 TKOF. HE RESPONDED THAT RVV VALUES FOR RWY 34 WERE GUIDING FOR RWY 34 TKOF AND RWY 16 WAS PREVAILING VISIBILITY. TKOF MINIMUMS FOR RWYS 16/34 WERE 1/4 MI, HOWEVER AT THE DEP END OF RWY 16 VISIBILITY WAS AT LEAST 1/4 MI. TWR WAS CALLING THE VISIBILITY 1/8 AND RAPIDLY IMPROVING. WE DEPARTED AVL WITH NORMAL TKOF CONDITIONS. UPON FURTHER RESEARCH IT APPEARS THAT A PLT WITH 20 YRS EXPERIENCE DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTH TO MAKE A WX JUDGEMENT AT THIS TIME AND THE TWR VISIBILITY OF 1/8 MI WAS CTLING. I WAS, HOWEVER, TOLD BY THE LCL CTLR THAT IF I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE VISIBILITY AS I CALLED IT THAT I COULD DEPART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.