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Attributes | |
ACN | 286634 |
Time | |
Date | 199410 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 3gm |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 200 agl bound upper : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2830 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 286634 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My student and I were practicing takeoff and lndgs in the traffic pattern. During one circuit around the pattern, I cut his power on downwind to simulate an engine out emergency. The student hesitated a min, then I suggested to turn towards the runway. While on a modified base leg for the runway we experienced down drafts over a body of water we were crossing. This put us in a lower than normal situation, on the other side of the water is a neighborhood that joins up with the east end of the airport. At 250 ft AGL it was apparent that the glide path would take us to the airport environment, but the aircraft was borderline low of making a 90 degree turn to land on the runway. In this situation I added power, and climbed up 100 ft, in order to complete the turn from base to final. After the lesson was over, a neighbor called and complained about aircraft being too low over his house. I called him back and explained what was going on, and that we got lower than we normally would have been. I do not know where his complaints will go from here. Studying the regulations, for the purpose of takeoff and landing an aircraft can be lower than the 500 ft AGL rule of being within person property or vessel and structure. And we still were high enough to glide to the airport so no one was in danger except for ourselves. So I am not sure a regulation was broken. In the future, I will be more careful on how low we get during such events. I will also avoid practicing such maneuvers over neighborhoods or populated areas.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STUDENT PLT GOT TOO LOW FOR A TURN FROM BASE TO FINAL RESULTING IN A PUBLIC COMPLAINT.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE PRACTICING TKOF AND LNDGS IN THE TFC PATTERN. DURING ONE CIRCUIT AROUND THE PATTERN, I CUT HIS PWR ON DOWNWIND TO SIMULATE AN ENG OUT EMER. THE STUDENT HESITATED A MIN, THEN I SUGGESTED TO TURN TOWARDS THE RWY. WHILE ON A MODIFIED BASE LEG FOR THE RWY WE EXPERIENCED DOWN DRAFTS OVER A BODY OF WATER WE WERE XING. THIS PUT US IN A LOWER THAN NORMAL SIT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WATER IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT JOINS UP WITH THE E END OF THE ARPT. AT 250 FT AGL IT WAS APPARENT THAT THE GLIDE PATH WOULD TAKE US TO THE ARPT ENVIRONMENT, BUT THE ACFT WAS BORDERLINE LOW OF MAKING A 90 DEG TURN TO LAND ON THE RWY. IN THIS SIT I ADDED PWR, AND CLBED UP 100 FT, IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE TURN FROM BASE TO FINAL. AFTER THE LESSON WAS OVER, A NEIGHBOR CALLED AND COMPLAINED ABOUT ACFT BEING TOO LOW OVER HIS HOUSE. I CALLED HIM BACK AND EXPLAINED WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND THAT WE GOT LOWER THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE HIS COMPLAINTS WILL GO FROM HERE. STUDYING THE REGS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF TKOF AND LNDG AN ACFT CAN BE LOWER THAN THE 500 FT AGL RULE OF BEING WITHIN PERSON PROPERTY OR VESSEL AND STRUCTURE. AND WE STILL WERE HIGH ENOUGH TO GLIDE TO THE ARPT SO NO ONE WAS IN DANGER EXCEPT FOR OURSELVES. SO I AM NOT SURE A REG WAS BROKEN. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL BE MORE CAREFUL ON HOW LOW WE GET DURING SUCH EVENTS. I WILL ALSO AVOID PRACTICING SUCH MANEUVERS OVER NEIGHBORHOODS OR POPULATED AREAS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.