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Attributes | |
ACN | 295046 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : idca Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 295046 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 295065 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Based on the nature of the WX, it was discussed and decided that a CAT ii approach was in order. All CAT ii operations are mandatory autoland approach per pilot operating handbook and company policy. The approach was flown as such, and touchdown was normal although slightly longer than if the captain had hand flown it. Upon initiating reverse thrust, the left engine spiked to approximately 1.62 and the right came to approximately 1.24. The AC was tracking down the runway. Shortly after this, the aircraft drifted slightly left of centerline and the rollout mode of the autoplt seemed to slide to the left behind us. The captain was using reverse thrust to try and help maintain directional control, but was not having much success. He tried many combinations of rev thrust, braking, and aerodynamic control inputs to control the aircraft. All of this soon led to the aircraft existing the runway, when we left the pavement, we were well slowed, approximately 60 KTS, and the ride into the grass was smooth and short lived. Once stopped I immediately notified the tower of our circumstances and localizer, and requested ground support assistance. Touchdown occurred at XA55 and the cabin door opened at XB15 to begin removing passenger via stairs on a truck. Buses were waiting nearby to take the people to the terminal. Absolutely no one was injured. Also the aircraft was taxied out with no damage having occurred to any part of the aircraft. As to the reason this happened, my feeling is that there was not an accurate way to determine the effect the reverse thrust had on the autoplt inputs, and the captain, because of this had tremendous difficulty controling the aircraft on a runway that was very slippery. I believe CAT ii operations on a wet or slippery runway in fact be a very bad idea.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT SLIDES OFF RWY ON LNDG ROLL.
Narrative: BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE WX, IT WAS DISCUSSED AND DECIDED THAT A CAT II APCH WAS IN ORDER. ALL CAT II OPS ARE MANDATORY AUTOLAND APCH PER PLT OPERATING HANDBOOK AND COMPANY POLICY. THE APCH WAS FLOWN AS SUCH, AND TOUCHDOWN WAS NORMAL ALTHOUGH SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN IF THE CAPT HAD HAND FLOWN IT. UPON INITIATING REVERSE THRUST, THE L ENG SPIKED TO APPROX 1.62 AND THE RIGHT CAME TO APPROX 1.24. THE AC WAS TRACKING DOWN THE RWY. SHORTLY AFTER THIS, THE ACFT DRIFTED SLIGHTLY LEFT OF CTRLINE AND THE ROLLOUT MODE OF THE AUTOPLT SEEMED TO SLIDE TO THE L BEHIND US. THE CAPT WAS USING REVERSE THRUST TO TRY AND HELP MAINTAIN DIRECTIONAL CTL, BUT WAS NOT HAVING MUCH SUCCESS. HE TRIED MANY COMBINATIONS OF REV THRUST, BRAKING, AND AERODYNAMIC CTL INPUTS TO CTL THE ACFT. ALL OF THIS SOON LED TO THE ACFT EXISTING THE RWY, WHEN WE LEFT THE PAVEMENT, WE WERE WELL SLOWED, APPROX 60 KTS, AND THE RIDE INTO THE GRASS WAS SMOOTH AND SHORT LIVED. ONCE STOPPED I IMMEDIATELY NOTIFIED THE TWR OF OUR CIRCUMSTANCES AND LOC, AND REQUESTED GND SUPPORT ASSISTANCE. TOUCHDOWN OCCURRED AT XA55 AND THE CABIN DOOR OPENED AT XB15 TO BEGIN REMOVING PAX VIA STAIRS ON A TRUCK. BUSES WERE WAITING NEARBY TO TAKE THE PEOPLE TO THE TERMINAL. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WAS INJURED. ALSO THE ACFT WAS TAXIED OUT WITH NO DAMAGE HAVING OCCURRED TO ANY PART OF THE ACFT. AS TO THE REASON THIS HAPPENED, MY FEELING IS THAT THERE WAS NOT AN ACCURATE WAY TO DETERMINE THE EFFECT THE REVERSE THRUST HAD ON THE AUTOPLT INPUTS, AND THE CAPT, BECAUSE OF THIS HAD TREMENDOUS DIFFICULTY CTLING THE ACFT ON A RWY THAT WAS VERY SLIPPERY. I BELIEVE CAT II OPS ON A WET OR SLIPPERY RWY IN FACT BE A VERY BAD IDEA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.