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Attributes | |
ACN | 295329 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 295329 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 118 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 295851 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 20 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Upon pushback from gate, we were to use runway 33. Ground asked us to turn on the ramp, follow the yellow line, and hold short of runway 33. We complied. As we were holding short of runway 33, we asked the first officer if our wingtip on the right side of the airplane was definitely clear of runway 8. He said we were clear by 10 ft. I was still uncomfortable with how close we were to the runway, so I moved as far left as possible (about 5 more ft). As the other aircraft (another B-737) landed, 1 of the pilots said that we were on the wrong line and our wing was over the runway. The tower controller told us we were on the wrong line. As far as we were concerned, there only was 1 'yellow line' -- which we followed. I still believe, that we did exactly what we were instructed to do. I do not believe the pilot of the other aircraft was out of line in discussing this on tower frequency, but he was totally justified in being upset about our position. If he had blown a tire or severed, we would have collided. If we were indeed in the wrong place, the controller could have told us much sooner. Also, if there are 2 'yellow lines.' the 'line of choice' should be marked with lights for right traffic or marked with a letter. Supplemental information from acn 295851: the taxiway line is positioned very close to the runway. The captain asked me if we had room. I said yes. Another B-737 landed on runway 8. The pilot (after landing) said we were over the runway. This was not true. We then took off on runway 33. As we climbed out, the pilot in the other 737 asked tower for our flight number and other information. I think the other pilot should have not discussed this over the air but called tower by phone. Also, burbank taxiway is not lit up at all. It was very dark and there needs to be lights or reflectors on the taxiway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARPT PROB RWY AND TXWY PROX TO EACH OTHER AND NON- STANDARD MARKINGS.
Narrative: UPON PUSHBACK FROM GATE, WE WERE TO USE RWY 33. GND ASKED US TO TURN ON THE RAMP, FOLLOW THE YELLOW LINE, AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 33. WE COMPLIED. AS WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 33, WE ASKED THE FO IF OUR WINGTIP ON THE R SIDE OF THE AIRPLANE WAS DEFINITELY CLR OF RWY 8. HE SAID WE WERE CLR BY 10 FT. I WAS STILL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HOW CLOSE WE WERE TO THE RWY, SO I MOVED AS FAR L AS POSSIBLE (ABOUT 5 MORE FT). AS THE OTHER ACFT (ANOTHER B-737) LANDED, 1 OF THE PLTS SAID THAT WE WERE ON THE WRONG LINE AND OUR WING WAS OVER THE RWY. THE TWR CTLR TOLD US WE WERE ON THE WRONG LINE. AS FAR AS WE WERE CONCERNED, THERE ONLY WAS 1 'YELLOW LINE' -- WHICH WE FOLLOWED. I STILL BELIEVE, THAT WE DID EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE PLT OF THE OTHER ACFT WAS OUT OF LINE IN DISCUSSING THIS ON TWR FREQ, BUT HE WAS TOTALLY JUSTIFIED IN BEING UPSET ABOUT OUR POS. IF HE HAD BLOWN A TIRE OR SEVERED, WE WOULD HAVE COLLIDED. IF WE WERE INDEED IN THE WRONG PLACE, THE CTLR COULD HAVE TOLD US MUCH SOONER. ALSO, IF THERE ARE 2 'YELLOW LINES.' THE 'LINE OF CHOICE' SHOULD BE MARKED WITH LIGHTS FOR R TFC OR MARKED WITH A LETTER. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 295851: THE TXWY LINE IS POSITIONED VERY CLOSE TO THE RWY. THE CAPT ASKED ME IF WE HAD ROOM. I SAID YES. ANOTHER B-737 LANDED ON RWY 8. THE PLT (AFTER LNDG) SAID WE WERE OVER THE RWY. THIS WAS NOT TRUE. WE THEN TOOK OFF ON RWY 33. AS WE CLBED OUT, THE PLT IN THE OTHER 737 ASKED TWR FOR OUR FLT NUMBER AND OTHER INFO. I THINK THE OTHER PLT SHOULD HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS OVER THE AIR BUT CALLED TWR BY PHONE. ALSO, BURBANK TXWY IS NOT LIT UP AT ALL. IT WAS VERY DARK AND THERE NEEDS TO BE LIGHTS OR REFLECTORS ON THE TXWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.