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Attributes | |
ACN | 295445 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : slc |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5400 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : slc tracon : ont |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 295445 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 295355 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While descending to 6000 ft we were given a turn to join a visual final. We were given the turn very late and were badly overshooting the final, the captain was trying to tell approach we were unfamiliar with the airport, while approach was asking us to tighten our turn. Having just come from the md-80 to the dc-10 and knowing the similarities between the 2 flight guidance system I attempted to tighten the turn by extending the slats and engaging the ILS. In doing so I had inadvertently disengaged the altitude arm, and the aircraft proceeded to descend through 6000 ft. I noticed the deviation at approximately 5900 ft, disengaged the autoplt and initiated a recovery at about 5800 ft. By the time the attitude change took effect we were at 5600 ft, at which point approach issued an altitude alert and an immediate climb. We proceeded to climb back up to 6000 ft and continued the rest of the approach hand flown and visual to an uneventful landing. Supplemental information from acn 295355: I think the first officer also armed the ILS capture feature. The aircraft did capture the altitude. The field elevation was 4200 ft. Given our range from the field, we were at GS capture altitude. I believe the ILS armed feature captured the GS and started to descend without us being aware of it. I noticed the altitude deviation at 5400 ft MSL and started to inform the first officer when approach control called us about an low altitude alert and gave us an immediate climbing turn. We were not cleared for the ILS approach. Same old thing. Somebody must fly the aircraft. Since we were in a 30 degree angle of bank right turn I should have taken the aircraft from the first officer and flown on instruments while the first officer looked for the aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION.
Narrative: WHILE DSNDING TO 6000 FT WE WERE GIVEN A TURN TO JOIN A VISUAL FINAL. WE WERE GIVEN THE TURN VERY LATE AND WERE BADLY OVERSHOOTING THE FINAL, THE CAPT WAS TRYING TO TELL APCH WE WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE ARPT, WHILE APCH WAS ASKING US TO TIGHTEN OUR TURN. HAVING JUST COME FROM THE MD-80 TO THE DC-10 AND KNOWING THE SIMILARITIES BTWN THE 2 FLT GUIDANCE SYS I ATTEMPTED TO TIGHTEN THE TURN BY EXTENDING THE SLATS AND ENGAGING THE ILS. IN DOING SO I HAD INADVERTENTLY DISENGAGED THE ALT ARM, AND THE ACFT PROCEEDED TO DSND THROUGH 6000 FT. I NOTICED THE DEV AT APPROX 5900 FT, DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT AND INITIATED A RECOVERY AT ABOUT 5800 FT. BY THE TIME THE ATTITUDE CHANGE TOOK EFFECT WE WERE AT 5600 FT, AT WHICH POINT APCH ISSUED AN ALT ALERT AND AN IMMEDIATE CLB. WE PROCEEDED TO CLB BACK UP TO 6000 FT AND CONTINUED THE REST OF THE APCH HAND FLOWN AND VISUAL TO AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 295355: I THINK THE FO ALSO ARMED THE ILS CAPTURE FEATURE. THE ACFT DID CAPTURE THE ALT. THE FIELD ELEVATION WAS 4200 FT. GIVEN OUR RANGE FROM THE FIELD, WE WERE AT GS CAPTURE ALT. I BELIEVE THE ILS ARMED FEATURE CAPTURED THE GS AND STARTED TO DSND WITHOUT US BEING AWARE OF IT. I NOTICED THE ALTDEV AT 5400 FT MSL AND STARTED TO INFORM THE FO WHEN APCH CTL CALLED US ABOUT AN LOW ALT ALERT AND GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE CLBING TURN. WE WERE NOT CLRED FOR THE ILS APCH. SAME OLD THING. SOMEBODY MUST FLY THE ACFT. SINCE WE WERE IN A 30 DEG ANGLE OF BANK R TURN I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE ACFT FROM THE FO AND FLOWN ON INSTS WHILE THE FO LOOKED FOR THE ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.