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Attributes | |
ACN | 295837 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : prc |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : prc |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 320 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 295837 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Tower instructed X (my student & I) to report a 2 mi left 45 degrees for runway 3L. I had the student (under the hood at the time) turn to a heading that would establish us on a 45 degree entry for midfield. This placed us further south than we would have been if the 45 degrees was aligned with the midpoint of the assigned runway (3L). After speaking to tower, they indicated that this caused them to not see X where they 'expected' X to be. At 2 mi, they told me to follow traffic, but I don't remember its position at the time but I assumed it was on the pattern. I scanned outside and reported traffic not in sight. The tower gave no further instructions so I conformed and entered the downwind for runway 3L. I continued, since I assumed they would separate me from that other aircraft. I never did see the other aircraft throughout the incident. Once established on downwind I continued looking for the traffic ahead of me (I again assumed it was ahead - not behind). It was then that tower contacted the other aircraft about my position saying X was 'ahead and to your right.' then the pilot indicated I was right above them and tower advised me of this. I only saw their shadow and started to turn but tower then said traffic was no factor since Y turned base for runway 3L. I was instructed to extend downwind for runway 3R. After speaking with the other pilot, he indicated that he thought the tower had X insight and would separate us. I assumed the same thing. Another factor, besides tower's instructions or lack thereof, was that I was behind the airplane and my student, being an inexperienced cfii with only 5 hours dual given, it was poor judgement to leave the student under the hood for so long. I actually forgot that he was under the hood, but I was looking/scanning outside the airplane the entire time. At no time did I feel we were in violation of any far's. In retrospect, I should have had the student fly visually and so would have reduced my workload. But why did tower allow me to continue and enter the pattern when I did not have traffic in sight and I think the other traffic and tower did not have me in sight either?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA X HAD NMAC WITH ACFT Y IN TFC PATTERN. SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT.
Narrative: TWR INSTRUCTED X (MY STUDENT & I) TO RPT A 2 MI L 45 DEGS FOR RWY 3L. I HAD THE STUDENT (UNDER THE HOOD AT THE TIME) TURN TO A HDG THAT WOULD ESTABLISH US ON A 45 DEG ENTRY FOR MIDFIELD. THIS PLACED US FURTHER S THAN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THE 45 DEGS WAS ALIGNED WITH THE MIDPOINT OF THE ASSIGNED RWY (3L). AFTER SPEAKING TO TWR, THEY INDICATED THAT THIS CAUSED THEM TO NOT SEE X WHERE THEY 'EXPECTED' X TO BE. AT 2 MI, THEY TOLD ME TO FOLLOW TFC, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER ITS POS AT THE TIME BUT I ASSUMED IT WAS ON THE PATTERN. I SCANNED OUTSIDE AND RPTED TFC NOT IN SIGHT. THE TWR GAVE NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS SO I CONFORMED AND ENTERED THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 3L. I CONTINUED, SINCE I ASSUMED THEY WOULD SEPARATE ME FROM THAT OTHER ACFT. I NEVER DID SEE THE OTHER ACFT THROUGHOUT THE INCIDENT. ONCE ESTABLISHED ON DOWNWIND I CONTINUED LOOKING FOR THE TFC AHEAD OF ME (I AGAIN ASSUMED IT WAS AHEAD - NOT BEHIND). IT WAS THEN THAT TWR CONTACTED THE OTHER ACFT ABOUT MY POS SAYING X WAS 'AHEAD AND TO YOUR R.' THEN THE PLT INDICATED I WAS RIGHT ABOVE THEM AND TWR ADVISED ME OF THIS. I ONLY SAW THEIR SHADOW AND STARTED TO TURN BUT TWR THEN SAID TFC WAS NO FACTOR SINCE Y TURNED BASE FOR RWY 3L. I WAS INSTRUCTED TO EXTEND DOWNWIND FOR RWY 3R. AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE OTHER PLT, HE INDICATED THAT HE THOUGHT THE TWR HAD X INSIGHT AND WOULD SEPARATE US. I ASSUMED THE SAME THING. ANOTHER FACTOR, BESIDES TWR'S INSTRUCTIONS OR LACK THEREOF, WAS THAT I WAS BEHIND THE AIRPLANE AND MY STUDENT, BEING AN INEXPERIENCED CFII WITH ONLY 5 HRS DUAL GIVEN, IT WAS POOR JUDGEMENT TO LEAVE THE STUDENT UNDER THE HOOD FOR SO LONG. I ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT HE WAS UNDER THE HOOD, BUT I WAS LOOKING/SCANNING OUTSIDE THE AIRPLANE THE ENTIRE TIME. AT NO TIME DID I FEEL WE WERE IN VIOLATION OF ANY FAR'S. IN RETROSPECT, I SHOULD HAVE HAD THE STUDENT FLY VISUALLY AND SO WOULD HAVE REDUCED MY WORKLOAD. BUT WHY DID TWR ALLOW ME TO CONTINUE AND ENTER THE PATTERN WHEN I DID NOT HAVE TFC IN SIGHT AND I THINK THE OTHER TFC AND TWR DID NOT HAVE ME IN SIGHT EITHER?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.