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Attributes | |
ACN | 296134 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mbs |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mbs |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 3090 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 296134 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist flight crew : declared emergency none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
At 10 mins after leveling at 6000 ft MSL, direct lansing VOR, my student and I experienced a quickly developing - rough running engine in our piper pathfinder. I tried to smooth the rough running engine by changing fuel tanks from right tip to right main tank. I then turned the fuel pump (electric) on and checked the fuel pressure which indicated normal. The engine continued running rough so I instructed my student to alert saginaw approach of our problem and asked for a vector to the nearest ILS. After 2 or 3 broken xmissions I took the microphone and declared an emergency. I then followed a vector towards the localizer for runway 5 at saginaw. As I was turning from 210 degrees to 030 degrees I pulled on carburetor heat which made the engine run even more rough. I than moved the mixture lever off to lean the engine but it continued to run rough. After rolling out on the 030 degrees assigned heading I asked my student to verify our ground speed as we were descending towards 5000 ft MSL. He called out 160 KTS ground speed from the GPS (hand held). We intercepted the localizer and passed over the FAF 1200 ft higher than normal. I was anticipating the engine quitting so I wanted to have extra altitude and airspeed in order to make the field (runway 05 or 23 at mbs). At 2 1/2 mi from runway 05 and 12000 ft AGL we broke out of the clouds I immediately began on our turn in order to slow to flap speed. I executed this directly over the runway environment to assure obstacle avoidance, as the visibility was varying because of blowing snow. We also experienced plus or minus 5 KTS fluctuation on the airspeed and light turbulence. Runway 5 is 8002 ft by 150 ft, the wind was 210 degrees at 25 KTS. We touched down at the 6000 ft marker (estimated), dropped (retracted) our 20 degrees flaps to destroy lift and gently tested the brakes. Braking action was fair - some sliding due to patchy snow and ice. We exited the runway at the last taxiway and removed carburetor heat, turned off unnecessary electricals - ie, pitot heat, landing light, electric fuel pump, then observed the gauges - all indicated normal. I also kept a close watch on the cowling for smoke as carburetor ice was only a suspected not proven 100% of the cause of the rough running engine. After reaching the ramp I shut down and we egressed the aircraft. I will have an aircraft mechanic thoroughly check the aircraft before I fly it back to goshen gsh when the WX improves to good VFR - day, for the entire route. I attribute the successful outcome to good crew coordination, and the fact that I was well rested, alert and had just eaten lunch before the flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ENG RUNS ROUGH, EMER DECLARED AND AN EMER LNDG WAS MADE.
Narrative: AT 10 MINS AFTER LEVELING AT 6000 FT MSL, DIRECT LANSING VOR, MY STUDENT AND I EXPERIENCED A QUICKLY DEVELOPING - ROUGH RUNNING ENG IN OUR PIPER PATHFINDER. I TRIED TO SMOOTH THE ROUGH RUNNING ENG BY CHANGING FUEL TANKS FROM R TIP TO R MAIN TANK. I THEN TURNED THE FUEL PUMP (ELECTRIC) ON AND CHKED THE FUEL PRESSURE WHICH INDICATED NORMAL. THE ENG CONTINUED RUNNING ROUGH SO I INSTRUCTED MY STUDENT TO ALERT SAGINAW APCH OF OUR PROB AND ASKED FOR A VECTOR TO THE NEAREST ILS. AFTER 2 OR 3 BROKEN XMISSIONS I TOOK THE MIKE AND DECLARED AN EMER. I THEN FOLLOWED A VECTOR TOWARDS THE LOC FOR RWY 5 AT SAGINAW. AS I WAS TURNING FROM 210 DEGS TO 030 DEGS I PULLED ON CARB HEAT WHICH MADE THE ENG RUN EVEN MORE ROUGH. I THAN MOVED THE MIXTURE LEVER OFF TO LEAN THE ENG BUT IT CONTINUED TO RUN ROUGH. AFTER ROLLING OUT ON THE 030 DEGS ASSIGNED HDG I ASKED MY STUDENT TO VERIFY OUR GND SPD AS WE WERE DSNDING TOWARDS 5000 FT MSL. HE CALLED OUT 160 KTS GND SPD FROM THE GPS (HAND HELD). WE INTERCEPTED THE LOC AND PASSED OVER THE FAF 1200 FT HIGHER THAN NORMAL. I WAS ANTICIPATING THE ENG QUITTING SO I WANTED TO HAVE EXTRA ALT AND AIRSPD IN ORDER TO MAKE THE FIELD (RWY 05 OR 23 AT MBS). AT 2 1/2 MI FROM RWY 05 AND 12000 FT AGL WE BROKE OUT OF THE CLOUDS I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN ON OUR TURN IN ORDER TO SLOW TO FLAP SPD. I EXECUTED THIS DIRECTLY OVER THE RWY ENVIRONMENT TO ASSURE OBSTACLE AVOIDANCE, AS THE VISIBILITY WAS VARYING BECAUSE OF BLOWING SNOW. WE ALSO EXPERIENCED PLUS OR MINUS 5 KTS FLUCTUATION ON THE AIRSPD AND LIGHT TURB. RWY 5 IS 8002 FT BY 150 FT, THE WIND WAS 210 DEGS AT 25 KTS. WE TOUCHED DOWN AT THE 6000 FT MARKER (ESTIMATED), DROPPED (RETRACTED) OUR 20 DEGS FLAPS TO DESTROY LIFT AND GENTLY TESTED THE BRAKES. BRAKING ACTION WAS FAIR - SOME SLIDING DUE TO PATCHY SNOW AND ICE. WE EXITED THE RWY AT THE LAST TXWY AND REMOVED CARB HEAT, TURNED OFF UNNECESSARY ELECTRICALS - IE, PITOT HEAT, LNDG LIGHT, ELECTRIC FUEL PUMP, THEN OBSERVED THE GAUGES - ALL INDICATED NORMAL. I ALSO KEPT A CLOSE WATCH ON THE COWLING FOR SMOKE AS CARB ICE WAS ONLY A SUSPECTED NOT PROVEN 100% OF THE CAUSE OF THE ROUGH RUNNING ENG. AFTER REACHING THE RAMP I SHUT DOWN AND WE EGRESSED THE ACFT. I WILL HAVE AN ACFT MECH THOROUGHLY CHK THE ACFT BEFORE I FLY IT BACK TO GOSHEN GSH WHEN THE WX IMPROVES TO GOOD VFR - DAY, FOR THE ENTIRE RTE. I ATTRIBUTE THE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME TO GOOD CREW COORD, AND THE FACT THAT I WAS WELL RESTED, ALERT AND HAD JUST EATEN LUNCH BEFORE THE FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.