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Attributes | |
ACN | 296135 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ful |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 2700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 530 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 296135 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited penetrated airspace flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After a 10 hour day another CFI had a flight for me. I really did not want to do it because I was tired. The other instructor could not take the flight. I had never flown with the student before. The student had already soloed and the other instructor said he was a very sharp student. The instructor wanted me to do some local night airport hopping and VOR work. We departed lgb airport around XA45 pm on the downwind leg at fullerton airport the student got disoriented and I had to help him find the airport. The landing was also very hard and I had to help him. We then departed for el monte airport. Again the student had some problems. The student wanted to follow the 605 freeway to the seal beach VOR. I said that would be ok. We departed el monte to sli. I told the student we would have to stay below 2500 ft to be clear of los angeles class B airspace. En route to sli VOR about 5 mi northwest of fullerton airport at XB30 pm we intruded into los angeles class B airspace. We had slowly climbed into it at about 2700 ft. Fullerton airport was at our 10 O'clock it should have been at our 9 O'clock. As soon as I realized what happened I descended out of the airspace. All the problem signs were right in front of my face. I was fatigued and did not want to fly. I had never flown with the student before. He was not as sharp as his instructor said he was. When the student had some problems I should have been very diligent and not let my guard down for the entire flight. I should have not let myself be pressured into a flight I did not want!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT FLEW INTO THE CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT A CLRNC.
Narrative: AFTER A 10 HR DAY ANOTHER CFI HAD A FLT FOR ME. I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE I WAS TIRED. THE OTHER INSTRUCTOR COULD NOT TAKE THE FLT. I HAD NEVER FLOWN WITH THE STUDENT BEFORE. THE STUDENT HAD ALREADY SOLOED AND THE OTHER INSTRUCTOR SAID HE WAS A VERY SHARP STUDENT. THE INSTRUCTOR WANTED ME TO DO SOME LCL NIGHT ARPT HOPPING AND VOR WORK. WE DEPARTED LGB ARPT AROUND XA45 PM ON THE DOWNWIND LEG AT FULLERTON ARPT THE STUDENT GOT DISORIENTED AND I HAD TO HELP HIM FIND THE ARPT. THE LNDG WAS ALSO VERY HARD AND I HAD TO HELP HIM. WE THEN DEPARTED FOR EL MONTE ARPT. AGAIN THE STUDENT HAD SOME PROBS. THE STUDENT WANTED TO FOLLOW THE 605 FREEWAY TO THE SEAL BEACH VOR. I SAID THAT WOULD BE OK. WE DEPARTED EL MONTE TO SLI. I TOLD THE STUDENT WE WOULD HAVE TO STAY BELOW 2500 FT TO BE CLR OF LOS ANGELES CLASS B AIRSPACE. ENRTE TO SLI VOR ABOUT 5 MI NW OF FULLERTON ARPT AT XB30 PM WE INTRUDED INTO LOS ANGELES CLASS B AIRSPACE. WE HAD SLOWLY CLBED INTO IT AT ABOUT 2700 FT. FULLERTON ARPT WAS AT OUR 10 O'CLOCK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK. AS SOON AS I REALIZED WHAT HAPPENED I DSNDED OUT OF THE AIRSPACE. ALL THE PROB SIGNS WERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE. I WAS FATIGUED AND DID NOT WANT TO FLY. I HAD NEVER FLOWN WITH THE STUDENT BEFORE. HE WAS NOT AS SHARP AS HIS INSTRUCTOR SAID HE WAS. WHEN THE STUDENT HAD SOME PROBS I SHOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DILIGENT AND NOT LET MY GUARD DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE FLT. I SHOULD HAVE NOT LET MYSELF BE PRESSURED INTO A FLT I DID NOT WANT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.