Unauthorized penetration of airspace.

Attributes
ACN	296215
Time
Date	199502
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pxr airport : ffx
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500
Environment
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : phx
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 2200
ASRS Report	296215
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

I was sic in the aircraft attempting to get our IFR clearance on the ground at ffz. The tower had just closed and we thought we could talk to phx departure on the ground. We soon discovered that was not possible. The captain then made the decision to depart runway 22L VFR and get our IFR clearance in the air. We got airborne, called phx departure on 119.2 as soon as we were 1000 ft AGL. Phx departure responded and asked if we were looking for our clearance. As this conversation took place, the captain continued a climbing left turn to the northeast in hopes of avoiding the mountains to the east of the airport. The controller then came back to us and asked if we knew we had violated the class B airspace. In a round about way the captain affirmed he did know, but was trying to stay away from the mountains. I believe this occurred because we got in a bit of a hurry because of other traffic behind us was trying to depart. We should have gone back to the terminal, got on a phone and obtained a clearance void time or studied the available charts to determine a safe VFR departure route. I also would think it would be very easy to establish an rco at falcon just for this kind of instance. I also don't understand why, at the beginning of our radio xmissions to ATC, they could not have granted entry into the class B airspace in light of the terrain. More time was spent on admonishing us than trying to help us.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE.

Narrative: I WAS SIC IN THE ACFT ATTEMPTING TO GET OUR IFR CLRNC ON THE GND AT FFZ. THE TWR HAD JUST CLOSED AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD TALK TO PHX DEP ON THE GND. WE SOON DISCOVERED THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. THE CAPT THEN MADE THE DECISION TO DEPART RWY 22L VFR AND GET OUR IFR CLRNC IN THE AIR. WE GOT AIRBORNE, CALLED PHX DEP ON 119.2 AS SOON AS WE WERE 1000 FT AGL. PHX DEP RESPONDED AND ASKED IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR OUR CLRNC. AS THIS CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE, THE CAPT CONTINUED A CLBING L TURN TO THE NE IN HOPES OF AVOIDING THE MOUNTAINS TO THE E OF THE ARPT. THE CTLR THEN CAME BACK TO US AND ASKED IF WE KNEW WE HAD VIOLATED THE CLASS B AIRSPACE. IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY THE CAPT AFFIRMED HE DID KNOW, BUT WAS TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE MOUNTAINS. I BELIEVE THIS OCCURRED BECAUSE WE GOT IN A BIT OF A HURRY BECAUSE OF OTHER TFC BEHIND US WAS TRYING TO DEPART. WE SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO THE TERMINAL, GOT ON A PHONE AND OBTAINED A CLRNC VOID TIME OR STUDIED THE AVAILABLE CHARTS TO DETERMINE A SAFE VFR DEP RTE. I ALSO WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO ESTABLISH AN RCO AT FALCON JUST FOR THIS KIND OF INSTANCE. I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR RADIO XMISSIONS TO ATC, THEY COULD NOT HAVE GRANTED ENTRY INTO THE CLASS B AIRSPACE IN LIGHT OF THE TERRAIN. MORE TIME WAS SPENT ON ADMONISHING US THAN TRYING TO HELP US.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.