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Attributes | |
ACN | 296710 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1800 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 296710 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 296719 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
While inbound from arnes, we were assigned a speed of 210 KIAS. We asked to slow down and were given 180 KIAS or greater to limma. We had been told to expect runway 25L and side-step to runway 25R. I don't recall exactly where we were cleared for the approach/side-step, but it was well prior to limma. We lowered the gear, extended flaps and got a TCASII RA right away. I had just started the side-step when I heard the TCASII say 'descend, descend' and I increased the descent rate. I lined up on runway 25R and shortly thereafter TCASII said 'climb, climb.' during the first RA there was a red target box slightly left of the airplane symbol on the ehsi. During the second RA, the red target box was slightly left and slightly ahead of the airplane symbol. We executed a go around and advised ATC it was due to a TCASII alert. I never saw the other airplane. We never called visual on the field, but were cleared for a visual maneuver. I have a hunch the other airplane was being vectored by another controller. In any event, controller overload was obvious. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter flies the B-767 and B-757 for a major united states air carrier. The reporter did not see the intruder aircraft but the captain and a jumpseat rider did. They estimated the miss to be 200-300 ft. Reporter believes that the intruder was going to the north runways as the reporter never heard any xmissions to the intruder. He learned from the newspaper that 2 B-767S had to go around that evening at lax because of TCASII alerts. The reporter believes that the first alert was real but, as no one saw an aircraft, the second alert may have been false. It could have been the same intruder now ahead and below the reporter. Supplemental information from acn 296719: I looked out left rear cockpit window and observed another air liner (think it was a 727) about 200 ft above and converging with our course and altitude. At the time of the second TCASII alert, I could not see the 727, nor any other traffic. Something went very wrong in the ATC control system. No other aircraft should have been near our position. We were not advised of any other traffic and certainly didn't expect any.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC ON LAX ILS COURSE.
Narrative: WHILE INBOUND FROM ARNES, WE WERE ASSIGNED A SPD OF 210 KIAS. WE ASKED TO SLOW DOWN AND WERE GIVEN 180 KIAS OR GREATER TO LIMMA. WE HAD BEEN TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 25L AND SIDE-STEP TO RWY 25R. I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH/SIDE-STEP, BUT IT WAS WELL PRIOR TO LIMMA. WE LOWERED THE GEAR, EXTENDED FLAPS AND GOT A TCASII RA RIGHT AWAY. I HAD JUST STARTED THE SIDE-STEP WHEN I HEARD THE TCASII SAY 'DSND, DSND' AND I INCREASED THE DSCNT RATE. I LINED UP ON RWY 25R AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER TCASII SAID 'CLB, CLB.' DURING THE FIRST RA THERE WAS A RED TARGET BOX SLIGHTLY L OF THE AIRPLANE SYMBOL ON THE EHSI. DURING THE SECOND RA, THE RED TARGET BOX WAS SLIGHTLY L AND SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF THE AIRPLANE SYMBOL. WE EXECUTED A GAR AND ADVISED ATC IT WAS DUE TO A TCASII ALERT. I NEVER SAW THE OTHER AIRPLANE. WE NEVER CALLED VISUAL ON THE FIELD, BUT WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL MANEUVER. I HAVE A HUNCH THE OTHER AIRPLANE WAS BEING VECTORED BY ANOTHER CTLR. IN ANY EVENT, CTLR OVERLOAD WAS OBVIOUS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR FLIES THE B-767 AND B-757 FOR A MAJOR UNITED STATES ACR. THE RPTR DID NOT SEE THE INTRUDER ACFT BUT THE CAPT AND A JUMPSEAT RIDER DID. THEY ESTIMATED THE MISS TO BE 200-300 FT. RPTR BELIEVES THAT THE INTRUDER WAS GOING TO THE N RWYS AS THE RPTR NEVER HEARD ANY XMISSIONS TO THE INTRUDER. HE LEARNED FROM THE NEWSPAPER THAT 2 B-767S HAD TO GAR THAT EVENING AT LAX BECAUSE OF TCASII ALERTS. THE RPTR BELIEVES THAT THE FIRST ALERT WAS REAL BUT, AS NO ONE SAW AN ACFT, THE SECOND ALERT MAY HAVE BEEN FALSE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME INTRUDER NOW AHEAD AND BELOW THE RPTR. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 296719: I LOOKED OUT L REAR COCKPIT WINDOW AND OBSERVED ANOTHER AIR LINER (THINK IT WAS A 727) ABOUT 200 FT ABOVE AND CONVERGING WITH OUR COURSE AND ALT. AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND TCASII ALERT, I COULD NOT SEE THE 727, NOR ANY OTHER TFC. SOMETHING WENT VERY WRONG IN THE ATC CTL SYS. NO OTHER ACFT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NEAR OUR POS. WE WERE NOT ADVISED OF ANY OTHER TFC AND CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXPECT ANY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.