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Attributes | |
ACN | 297695 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ege |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Rockwell North American Civil Twin Jet |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 8550 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 297695 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 297943 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
During departure from eagle, co airport. Misinterp of departure on IFR flight plan from airport. Flying with new crew member at airport I have not departed from before I read over the departure procedure. I misread the departure to make a left turn at 9000 ft when I should have made a right turn. Was clear WX and in a mountainous area where I was looking outside trying to avoid any terrain or other aircraft and simply made the wrong turn. Should have read chart and briefed other pilot more carefully. After radio was switched from tower to ZDV, I was questioned which way I had made the turn to. After discovering I turned improperly, center told me to continue turn to the departure fix (kremming VOR co). I continued the turn and proceeded to the VOR continuing the climb. No other aircraft where involved and we continued on the trip. I notified center of the mistake. I believe it could have been prevented by better crew coordination prior to departure -- reading the departure more carefully and being more familiar with my environment at that particular airport. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the multi reports showed both pilots were the capts and both pilots were the PF. This reporter was the PIC but acting as the copilot in the right seat. During this flight and the PNF. The other pilot doing the flying was in the left seat and though not officially listed as the PIC on this flight was a qualified captain. Of note is the phenomena that some pilots get very uneasy when flying with another very experienced captain flying as copilot. 2 qualified capts and no copilot is not better than a qualified captain and a qualified copilot who is not a qualified captain. Accident statistics support this. The briefing by the captain flying may have been more thorough if he were flying with a copilot. The reporter stated he felt there should have been a plan view depiction and the narrative could have been written more clearly by having the altitudes progress as the restrs occur in the climb. The PF knew he did not have the clearance totally understood, but clear and 75 mi visibility, 2 boeing 757's waiting for takeoff behind him, they had a simple departure direct last week, an experienced captain in the right seat as copilot -- 'we can wing it' he thought.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC FAILED TO COMPLY WITH IFR DEP PROC.
Narrative: DURING DEP FROM EAGLE, CO ARPT. MISINTERP OF DEP ON IFR FLT PLAN FROM ARPT. FLYING WITH NEW CREW MEMBER AT ARPT I HAVE NOT DEPARTED FROM BEFORE I READ OVER THE DEP PROC. I MISREAD THE DEP TO MAKE A L TURN AT 9000 FT WHEN I SHOULD HAVE MADE A R TURN. WAS CLR WX AND IN A MOUNTAINOUS AREA WHERE I WAS LOOKING OUTSIDE TRYING TO AVOID ANY TERRAIN OR OTHER ACFT AND SIMPLY MADE THE WRONG TURN. SHOULD HAVE READ CHART AND BRIEFED OTHER PLT MORE CAREFULLY. AFTER RADIO WAS SWITCHED FROM TWR TO ZDV, I WAS QUESTIONED WHICH WAY I HAD MADE THE TURN TO. AFTER DISCOVERING I TURNED IMPROPERLY, CTR TOLD ME TO CONTINUE TURN TO THE DEP FIX (KREMMING VOR CO). I CONTINUED THE TURN AND PROCEEDED TO THE VOR CONTINUING THE CLB. NO OTHER ACFT WHERE INVOLVED AND WE CONTINUED ON THE TRIP. I NOTIFIED CTR OF THE MISTAKE. I BELIEVE IT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED BY BETTER CREW COORD PRIOR TO DEP -- READING THE DEP MORE CAREFULLY AND BEING MORE FAMILIAR WITH MY ENVIRONMENT AT THAT PARTICULAR ARPT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE MULTI RPTS SHOWED BOTH PLTS WERE THE CAPTS AND BOTH PLTS WERE THE PF. THIS RPTR WAS THE PIC BUT ACTING AS THE COPLT IN THE R SEAT. DURING THIS FLT AND THE PNF. THE OTHER PLT DOING THE FLYING WAS IN THE L SEAT AND THOUGH NOT OFFICIALLY LISTED AS THE PIC ON THIS FLT WAS A QUALIFIED CAPT. OF NOTE IS THE PHENOMENA THAT SOME PLTS GET VERY UNEASY WHEN FLYING WITH ANOTHER VERY EXPERIENCED CAPT FLYING AS COPLT. 2 QUALIFIED CAPTS AND NO COPLT IS NOT BETTER THAN A QUALIFIED CAPT AND A QUALIFIED COPLT WHO IS NOT A QUALIFIED CAPT. ACCIDENT STATISTICS SUPPORT THIS. THE BRIEFING BY THE CAPT FLYING MAY HAVE BEEN MORE THOROUGH IF HE WERE FLYING WITH A COPLT. THE RPTR STATED HE FELT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PLAN VIEW DEPICTION AND THE NARRATIVE COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN MORE CLRLY BY HAVING THE ALTS PROGRESS AS THE RESTRS OCCUR IN THE CLB. THE PF KNEW HE DID NOT HAVE THE CLRNC TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD, BUT CLR AND 75 MI VISIBILITY, 2 BOEING 757'S WAITING FOR TKOF BEHIND HIM, THEY HAD A SIMPLE DEP DIRECT LAST WK, AN EXPERIENCED CAPT IN THE R SEAT AS COPLT -- 'WE CAN WING IT' HE THOUGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.