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Attributes | |
ACN | 299528 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ffu |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 30000 msl bound upper : 30000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc tower : aus |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 4900 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 299528 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X in a climb to FL310, assigned. The captain was flying and I was handling the radio calls. We were sbound and passing west of a cell that was on our radar. At FL270, turbulence began increasing in intensity and by FL290 it was moderate and still getting wore. We were given a frequency change in the middle of this and the new controller was extremely busy, giving nonstop instructions to several aircraft and I was unable to check in with him. The captain asked me to get us a descent to FL270. He slowed his rate of climb at about FL290. My first transmission was blocked by another radio. My second radio call was 'ZLC, call sign, FL295 (approximately) in moderate turbulence, assigned FL310, request a descent to FL270.' the controller instructed us to go to FL310. We could now faintly see an overhang above us from this thunderstorm and without even discussing it, it was clear to both of us that climbing to FL310 would be dangerous. That captain took over the radios and told slc he was descending because of the turbulence, overhang, etc, and the controller said unable, maintain FL310. The exchange became heated and the controller asked if we were declaring an emergency and the captain told him no, we're just descending to FL270. I did not observe any traffic visually or on TCASII and don't believe there was any midair potential based on the radio calls I heard. Factors: inability to check in with new sector due to saturated radio. I'm sure I could have worked it out if I could have talked sooner. An overhang that did not show on radar and it was dark so we could not see it. The captain should have declared an emergency. That would have prevented a radio saturating argument and we could have descended quicker. In my estimation the turbulence was on its way to severe. The controller eventually gave us FL270 when we were at about FL285 and descending slowly, but he was pretty hot!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X REFUSED CLRNC UNAUTH DSCNT FOR WX AVOIDANCE.
Narrative: ACR X IN A CLB TO FL310, ASSIGNED. THE CAPT WAS FLYING AND I WAS HANDLING THE RADIO CALLS. WE WERE SBOUND AND PASSING W OF A CELL THAT WAS ON OUR RADAR. AT FL270, TURB BEGAN INCREASING IN INTENSITY AND BY FL290 IT WAS MODERATE AND STILL GETTING WORE. WE WERE GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AND THE NEW CTLR WAS EXTREMELY BUSY, GIVING NONSTOP INSTRUCTIONS TO SEVERAL ACFT AND I WAS UNABLE TO CHK IN WITH HIM. THE CAPT ASKED ME TO GET US A DSCNT TO FL270. HE SLOWED HIS RATE OF CLB AT ABOUT FL290. MY FIRST XMISSION WAS BLOCKED BY ANOTHER RADIO. MY SECOND RADIO CALL WAS 'ZLC, CALL SIGN, FL295 (APPROX) IN MODERATE TURB, ASSIGNED FL310, REQUEST A DSCNT TO FL270.' THE CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO GO TO FL310. WE COULD NOW FAINTLY SEE AN OVERHANG ABOVE US FROM THIS TSTM AND WITHOUT EVEN DISCUSSING IT, IT WAS CLR TO BOTH OF US THAT CLBING TO FL310 WOULD BE DANGEROUS. THAT CAPT TOOK OVER THE RADIOS AND TOLD SLC HE WAS DSNDING BECAUSE OF THE TURB, OVERHANG, ETC, AND THE CTLR SAID UNABLE, MAINTAIN FL310. THE EXCHANGE BECAME HEATED AND THE CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE DECLARING AN EMER AND THE CAPT TOLD HIM NO, WE'RE JUST DSNDING TO FL270. I DID NOT OBSERVE ANY TFC VISUALLY OR ON TCASII AND DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY MIDAIR POTENTIAL BASED ON THE RADIO CALLS I HEARD. FACTORS: INABILITY TO CHK IN WITH NEW SECTOR DUE TO SATURATED RADIO. I'M SURE I COULD HAVE WORKED IT OUT IF I COULD HAVE TALKED SOONER. AN OVERHANG THAT DID NOT SHOW ON RADAR AND IT WAS DARK SO WE COULD NOT SEE IT. THE CAPT SHOULD HAVE DECLARED AN EMER. THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED A RADIO SATURATING ARGUMENT AND WE COULD HAVE DSNDED QUICKER. IN MY ESTIMATION THE TURB WAS ON ITS WAY TO SEVERE. THE CTLR EVENTUALLY GAVE US FL270 WHEN WE WERE AT ABOUT FL285 AND DSNDING SLOWLY, BUT HE WAS PRETTY HOT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.