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Attributes | |
ACN | 299990 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau tower : bjc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zau |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 390 |
ASRS Report | 299990 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 1900 |
ASRS Report | 299626 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Cleared to descend to 17000 ft MSL. I was busy flying the airplane and missed the radio call from center giving the altimeter setting. I asked the captain for the setting. I heard 'xx.38.' unsure of what the first 2 numbers were, I just assumed 30.38 and put that setting in the altimeter. The captain also put a setting in his altimeter, ie, I saw him move his hand toward the altimeter. Neither of us made a '1000 ft above' callout. At about 17500 ft on my altimeter, I announced 'leveling at 17000 ft.' the captain said 'we're leveling at 16000 ft, get back up to altitude.' I climbed to correct altitude. No traffic on TCASII or observed. No conflict resulted. Center made no comment about the incident. The fault was mine for not setting and verifying the correct altimeter, for assuming 29.38 as being unreasonably low altimeter setting and jumping on 30.38. I went through the motions of the descent checklist without calling for it, and the captain was too busy with radio calls and ATIS to xchk my setting. He missed the '1000 ft above' call which would have been correct on his altimeter. I did not xchk his altimeter at any time -- merely noted his setting something by moving his hand and assumed we had the same number set. I now do a descent checklist before 18000 ft MSL and pay more attention to the xchk. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter flies the B-767-300 for a major united states air carrier. At the time of the incident, 'we weren't paying attention to each other.' at no time did the center say anything like 'altimeter setting 29.38 low.' apparently this is standard procedure in alaska and canada where there are more wild swings in altimeter settings. The first officer 'just jumped at conclusions' at a more normal setting of 30.38. ARTCC did not seem to notice the transgression as nothing was said. The first officer immediately climbed when his captain noticed the error.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV CAUSED BY A VERY LOW ALTIMETER SETTING.
Narrative: CLRED TO DSND TO 17000 FT MSL. I WAS BUSY FLYING THE AIRPLANE AND MISSED THE RADIO CALL FROM CTR GIVING THE ALTIMETER SETTING. I ASKED THE CAPT FOR THE SETTING. I HEARD 'XX.38.' UNSURE OF WHAT THE FIRST 2 NUMBERS WERE, I JUST ASSUMED 30.38 AND PUT THAT SETTING IN THE ALTIMETER. THE CAPT ALSO PUT A SETTING IN HIS ALTIMETER, IE, I SAW HIM MOVE HIS HAND TOWARD THE ALTIMETER. NEITHER OF US MADE A '1000 FT ABOVE' CALLOUT. AT ABOUT 17500 FT ON MY ALTIMETER, I ANNOUNCED 'LEVELING AT 17000 FT.' THE CAPT SAID 'WE'RE LEVELING AT 16000 FT, GET BACK UP TO ALT.' I CLBED TO CORRECT ALT. NO TFC ON TCASII OR OBSERVED. NO CONFLICT RESULTED. CTR MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT THE INCIDENT. THE FAULT WAS MINE FOR NOT SETTING AND VERIFYING THE CORRECT ALTIMETER, FOR ASSUMING 29.38 AS BEING UNREASONABLY LOW ALTIMETER SETTING AND JUMPING ON 30.38. I WENT THROUGH THE MOTIONS OF THE DSCNT CHKLIST WITHOUT CALLING FOR IT, AND THE CAPT WAS TOO BUSY WITH RADIO CALLS AND ATIS TO XCHK MY SETTING. HE MISSED THE '1000 FT ABOVE' CALL WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECT ON HIS ALTIMETER. I DID NOT XCHK HIS ALTIMETER AT ANY TIME -- MERELY NOTED HIS SETTING SOMETHING BY MOVING HIS HAND AND ASSUMED WE HAD THE SAME NUMBER SET. I NOW DO A DSCNT CHKLIST BEFORE 18000 FT MSL AND PAY MORE ATTN TO THE XCHK. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR FLIES THE B-767-300 FOR A MAJOR UNITED STATES ACR. AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT, 'WE WEREN'T PAYING ATTN TO EACH OTHER.' AT NO TIME DID THE CTR SAY ANYTHING LIKE 'ALTIMETER SETTING 29.38 LOW.' APPARENTLY THIS IS STANDARD PROC IN ALASKA AND CANADA WHERE THERE ARE MORE WILD SWINGS IN ALTIMETER SETTINGS. THE FO 'JUST JUMPED AT CONCLUSIONS' AT A MORE NORMAL SETTING OF 30.38. ARTCC DID NOT SEEM TO NOTICE THE TRANSGRESSION AS NOTHING WAS SAID. THE FO IMMEDIATELY CLBED WHEN HIS CAPT NOTICED THE ERROR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.