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Attributes | |
ACN | 300211 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-500 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 300211 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X cleared for tipp-toe visual of runway 28L. Bay asked us to look for 'company traffic 12 O'clock 5 mi on base for runway 28R.' we responded not in sight. A min later he said, 'your traffic is now 12 O'clock 4 mi a heavy 747, do you see him?' I said, 'negative, will he be behind us?' he then said, 'cancel approach clearance, maintain 4000 ft turn left heading 180 degrees.' obviously he was going to put us right behind the 747 without any wake turbulence separation. He didn't tell us he was a heavy until it was too late to make a wake turbulence avoidance plan. We got vectored back around for a visual approach to runway 28L. He put us in front of a B737 for runway 28R and told us to maintain visual separation. We said 'no,' he's behind us. Then he vectored us 3 mi in trail of B757. We confirmed this on our TCASII - controller lied and said the 757 was at 4 mi. We accepted the clearance because we had to land sometime. Got into the 757's wake at 100 ft as we landed on runway 28L. Wind 030 degrees at 6 KTS, right into us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X ENCOUNTERED WAKE TURB FROM B757 WHILE ON VISUAL APCH.
Narrative: ACR X CLRED FOR TIPP-TOE VISUAL OF RWY 28L. BAY ASKED US TO LOOK FOR 'COMPANY TFC 12 O'CLOCK 5 MI ON BASE FOR RWY 28R.' WE RESPONDED NOT IN SIGHT. A MIN LATER HE SAID, 'YOUR TFC IS NOW 12 O'CLOCK 4 MI A HVY 747, DO YOU SEE HIM?' I SAID, 'NEGATIVE, WILL HE BE BEHIND US?' HE THEN SAID, 'CANCEL APCH CLRNC, MAINTAIN 4000 FT TURN L HDG 180 DEGS.' OBVIOUSLY HE WAS GOING TO PUT US RIGHT BEHIND THE 747 WITHOUT ANY WAKE TURB SEPARATION. HE DIDN'T TELL US HE WAS A HVY UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE TO MAKE A WAKE TURB AVOIDANCE PLAN. WE GOT VECTORED BACK AROUND FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 28L. HE PUT US IN FRONT OF A B737 FOR RWY 28R AND TOLD US TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION. WE SAID 'NO,' HE'S BEHIND US. THEN HE VECTORED US 3 MI IN TRAIL OF B757. WE CONFIRMED THIS ON OUR TCASII - CTLR LIED AND SAID THE 757 WAS AT 4 MI. WE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC BECAUSE WE HAD TO LAND SOMETIME. GOT INTO THE 757'S WAKE AT 100 FT AS WE LANDED ON RWY 28L. WIND 030 DEGS AT 6 KTS, RIGHT INTO US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.