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Attributes | |
ACN | 301455 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sna tower : ewr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 220 |
ASRS Report | 301455 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First time flying with this first officer since his return from 2 yr furlough. His leg, 10 mi out, I reprogrammed the FMC and pointed out that we were 1900 ft high on profile to him. He never got on GS. At 3 DME we broke out at 2000 ft. At 3 1/2 DME I warned him we were still quite high. When we broke out I instructed him to begin an immediate right 30 degree bank turn to s-turn down and requested such from tower -- approved. First officer only banked 15 degree and started to return to the final too soon. We would have landed long and unspooled. I took the aircraft to save the s-turn maneuver. Although my sink rate and engine spool was stable at 500 ft, I didn't roll wings level lined up until about 200 ft. All was done smoothly. After touchdown at the 1000 ft point and rollout the tower controller came on and congratulations were in order with all the other tower occupants clapping and cheering. Then the comments started, some from other carriers waiting for departure. Although I was comfortable with the maneuver I felt that I had done something wrong or very unusual. VFR lateral stability for s-turns or in-close parallel runway changes are somewhat undefined areas. I thought I'd make a report in case someone took a different view of my judgement. The fix is an early adjustment for any 'too-high' sits.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STABILIZED APCH CONCEPT. ACR CAPT TAKES THE ACFT FROM THE FO BECAUSE HE IS TOO HIGH ON FINAL APCH AND THEN USES RATHER EXTREME MANEUVER TO SALVAGE THE APCH.
Narrative: FIRST TIME FLYING WITH THIS FO SINCE HIS RETURN FROM 2 YR FURLOUGH. HIS LEG, 10 MI OUT, I REPROGRAMMED THE FMC AND POINTED OUT THAT WE WERE 1900 FT HIGH ON PROFILE TO HIM. HE NEVER GOT ON GS. AT 3 DME WE BROKE OUT AT 2000 FT. AT 3 1/2 DME I WARNED HIM WE WERE STILL QUITE HIGH. WHEN WE BROKE OUT I INSTRUCTED HIM TO BEGIN AN IMMEDIATE R 30 DEG BANK TURN TO S-TURN DOWN AND REQUESTED SUCH FROM TWR -- APPROVED. FO ONLY BANKED 15 DEG AND STARTED TO RETURN TO THE FINAL TOO SOON. WE WOULD HAVE LANDED LONG AND UNSPOOLED. I TOOK THE ACFT TO SAVE THE S-TURN MANEUVER. ALTHOUGH MY SINK RATE AND ENG SPOOL WAS STABLE AT 500 FT, I DIDN'T ROLL WINGS LEVEL LINED UP UNTIL ABOUT 200 FT. ALL WAS DONE SMOOTHLY. AFTER TOUCHDOWN AT THE 1000 FT POINT AND ROLLOUT THE TWR CTLR CAME ON AND CONGRATULATIONS WERE IN ORDER WITH ALL THE OTHER TWR OCCUPANTS CLAPPING AND CHEERING. THEN THE COMMENTS STARTED, SOME FROM OTHER CARRIERS WAITING FOR DEP. ALTHOUGH I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE MANEUVER I FELT THAT I HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG OR VERY UNUSUAL. VFR LATERAL STABILITY FOR S-TURNS OR IN-CLOSE PARALLEL RWY CHANGES ARE SOMEWHAT UNDEFINED AREAS. I THOUGHT I'D MAKE A RPT IN CASE SOMEONE TOOK A DIFFERENT VIEW OF MY JUDGEMENT. THE FIX IS AN EARLY ADJUSTMENT FOR ANY 'TOO-HIGH' SITS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.