Aircraft equipment problem dual transponder failure.

Attributes
ACN	302648
Time
Date	199504
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ict
State Reference	KS
Altitude	msl bound lower : 14500 msl bound upper : 14500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : zks
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Citation V
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 350
ASRS Report	302648
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Aircraft
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Had a pop-up test flight with an international customer in a CE525. We were to run through in-flight system check which required IFR clearance to FL310, into the boothill 1 area (ict 235 degree radial, ict 210 degree radial out to 125 DME). After takeoff, departure could not receive transponder. Recycled. Still no reply. Changed to #2 transponder. No reply. Departure asked for intentions. Stated we would work west of ict about 25 NM at 14500 ft VFR. Ict agreed. We ended about 35 NM west during maneuvering at 14500 ft. Ict terminated handling. Approximately 5 mins later, started descent into ict and established contact with approach. Did a 30 degree right turn for radar identify. Recovered visually. Problems to this flight were inadvertent violation of far 91.130 and 91.215, operating in class C without xponders and operating above 10000 ft MSL without xponders. Probable causes were: 1) I can't ever recall having a dual transponder failure. 2) trying to accomplish as much of the checks as possible (at a safe altitude). 3) because of #1 above, not being up-to-date on these 2 far sections. I'm now well versed in these pertinent sections.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACFT EQUIP PROB DUAL XPONDER FAILURE.

Narrative: HAD A POP-UP TEST FLT WITH AN INTL CUSTOMER IN A CE525. WE WERE TO RUN THROUGH INFLT SYS CHK WHICH REQUIRED IFR CLRNC TO FL310, INTO THE BOOTHILL 1 AREA (ICT 235 DEG RADIAL, ICT 210 DEG RADIAL OUT TO 125 DME). AFTER TKOF, DEP COULD NOT RECEIVE XPONDER. RECYCLED. STILL NO REPLY. CHANGED TO #2 XPONDER. NO REPLY. DEP ASKED FOR INTENTIONS. STATED WE WOULD WORK W OF ICT ABOUT 25 NM AT 14500 FT VFR. ICT AGREED. WE ENDED ABOUT 35 NM W DURING MANEUVERING AT 14500 FT. ICT TERMINATED HANDLING. APPROX 5 MINS LATER, STARTED DSCNT INTO ICT AND ESTABLISHED CONTACT WITH APCH. DID A 30 DEG R TURN FOR RADAR IDENT. RECOVERED VISUALLY. PROBS TO THIS FLT WERE INADVERTENT VIOLATION OF FAR 91.130 AND 91.215, OPERATING IN CLASS C WITHOUT XPONDERS AND OPERATING ABOVE 10000 FT MSL WITHOUT XPONDERS. PROBABLE CAUSES WERE: 1) I CAN'T EVER RECALL HAVING A DUAL XPONDER FAILURE. 2) TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH OF THE CHKS AS POSSIBLE (AT A SAFE ALT). 3) BECAUSE OF #1 ABOVE, NOT BEING UP-TO-DATE ON THESE 2 FAR SECTIONS. I'M NOW WELL VERSED IN THESE PERTINENT SECTIONS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.