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Attributes | |
ACN | 302734 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mem |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zme |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 302734 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were cleared direct to shv and told to climb to 16000 ft. We didn't believe we were able to accept the clearance to shv because shv is an airport, not a NAVAID, route, or fix. We discussed this among ourselves and with the controller. In the process we failed to initiate our climb from 12000 ft to 16000 ft. Controllers and pilots need to have the same criteria for accepting/giving clrncs. Controllers commonly clear us to airports which we cannot navigation to in the event of communication failure. I and most other pilots don't believe it is legal for us to accept these clrncs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DELAY IN CLB TO CLRED ALT DUE TO CLRNC CONFUSION.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO SHV AND TOLD TO CLB TO 16000 FT. WE DIDN'T BELIEVE WE WERE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE CLRNC TO SHV BECAUSE SHV IS AN ARPT, NOT A NAVAID, RTE, OR FIX. WE DISCUSSED THIS AMONG OURSELVES AND WITH THE CTLR. IN THE PROCESS WE FAILED TO INITIATE OUR CLB FROM 12000 FT TO 16000 FT. CTLRS AND PLTS NEED TO HAVE THE SAME CRITERIA FOR ACCEPTING/GIVING CLRNCS. CTLRS COMMONLY CLR US TO ARPTS WHICH WE CANNOT NAV TO IN THE EVENT OF COM FAILURE. I AND MOST OTHER PLTS DON'T BELIEVE IT IS LEGAL FOR US TO ACCEPT THESE CLRNCS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.