Flight crew fails to comply with altitude restr.

Attributes
ACN	303123
Time
Date	199504
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ord
State Reference	IL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ord
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-82
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1200
ASRS Report	303123
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On the janesville 4 approach, we were cleared to cross krena intersection at 10000 ft MSL (sfo direct ord). We were restr to 280 KTS and started a descent as soon as told to, but it appeared we might not make it, even though the speed brakes and slats were out. The captain elected not to ask for relief of the crossing restr, though the first officer (PF) asked the captain to ask for relief several times. We were at 11500 ft MSL crossing krena and hit 10000 ft 5 mi later -- the captain said that was acceptable. Approach never questioned our performance and no conflict occurred. This was a case where the captain just didn't want to ask for relief, which I (the first officer) thought was a ridiculous position. Just as ridiculous is the performance of chicago approach, who regularly restricts the airspeed (even at XA00 am), then asks us to make almost impossible crossing rests.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC FAILS TO COMPLY WITH ALT RESTR.

Narrative: ON THE JANESVILLE 4 APCH, WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS KRENA INTXN AT 10000 FT MSL (SFO DIRECT ORD). WE WERE RESTR TO 280 KTS AND STARTED A DSCNT AS SOON AS TOLD TO, BUT IT APPEARED WE MIGHT NOT MAKE IT, EVEN THOUGH THE SPD BRAKES AND SLATS WERE OUT. THE CAPT ELECTED NOT TO ASK FOR RELIEF OF THE XING RESTR, THOUGH THE FO (PF) ASKED THE CAPT TO ASK FOR RELIEF SEVERAL TIMES. WE WERE AT 11500 FT MSL XING KRENA AND HIT 10000 FT 5 MI LATER -- THE CAPT SAID THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE. APCH NEVER QUESTIONED OUR PERFORMANCE AND NO CONFLICT OCCURRED. THIS WAS A CASE WHERE THE CAPT JUST DIDN'T WANT TO ASK FOR RELIEF, WHICH I (THE FO) THOUGHT WAS A RIDICULOUS POS. JUST AS RIDICULOUS IS THE PERFORMANCE OF CHICAGO APCH, WHO REGULARLY RESTRICTS THE AIRSPD (EVEN AT XA00 AM), THEN ASKS US TO MAKE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE XING RESTS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.