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Attributes | |
ACN | 303990 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 303990 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Vectoring into O'hare international we were cleared for ILS runway 22L at which point we contacted tower control about 12 mi out. After numerous attempts tower told us to go back to approach frequency. On initial contact, approach explained to us that they tried contacting us 4 times and that we switched frequencys to early. They then pointed out traffic that was also cleared in front of us about 3 mi ahead. We performed south turns to the right to gain further separation and there was no further incident. I feel approach control had no business clearing us for an ILS approach if they were planning on turning someone in front of us. We were never told to stay with approach control other crewmembers felt we were turned over to tower once cleared for the approach. The speed of communication with ATC at O'hare international airport is unnecessary and creates more problems than normal. We didn't get an opportunity to clearly repeat our instructions because both approach and tower jumped on to the other aircraft. (It wasn't that busy!) tower on initial contact should have been able to tell us about the other aircraft instead of telling us to return to approach control. After all was sorted out, approach told us everything was fine and it wasn't a problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT CHANGED TO TWR FREQ BEFORE INSTRUCTED BY APCH AFTER BEING CLRED FOR THE APCH.
Narrative: VECTORING INTO O'HARE INTL WE WERE CLRED FOR ILS RWY 22L AT WHICH POINT WE CONTACTED TWR CTL ABOUT 12 MI OUT. AFTER NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TWR TOLD US TO GO BACK TO APCH FREQ. ON INITIAL CONTACT, APCH EXPLAINED TO US THAT THEY TRIED CONTACTING US 4 TIMES AND THAT WE SWITCHED FREQS TO EARLY. THEY THEN POINTED OUT TFC THAT WAS ALSO CLRED IN FRONT OF US ABOUT 3 MI AHEAD. WE PERFORMED S TURNS TO THE R TO GAIN FURTHER SEPARATION AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER INCIDENT. I FEEL APCH CTL HAD NO BUSINESS CLRING US FOR AN ILS APCH IF THEY WERE PLANNING ON TURNING SOMEONE IN FRONT OF US. WE WERE NEVER TOLD TO STAY WITH APCH CTL OTHER CREWMEMBERS FELT WE WERE TURNED OVER TO TWR ONCE CLRED FOR THE APCH. THE SPD OF COM WITH ATC AT O'HARE INTL ARPT IS UNNECESSARY AND CREATES MORE PROBS THAN NORMAL. WE DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLRLY REPEAT OUR INSTRUCTIONS BECAUSE BOTH APCH AND TWR JUMPED ON TO THE OTHER ACFT. (IT WASN'T THAT BUSY!) TWR ON INITIAL CONTACT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TELL US ABOUT THE OTHER ACFT INSTEAD OF TELLING US TO RETURN TO APCH CTL. AFTER ALL WAS SORTED OUT, APCH TOLD US EVERYTHING WAS FINE AND IT WASN'T A PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.