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Attributes | |
ACN | 306250 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : lax |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 14700 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 306250 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Routine arrival into lax on the civet profile. Approach control states, 'after arnes, cleared the ILS runway 25L to lax.' upon contacting the tower, we were told to keep 220 KTS until the marker. About 8 mi from the marker, we began to slow to approach speed. After about 30 KTS of speed reduction, the tower instructed we were 'assigned 220 KTS' in a rather sharp and mandatory voice. We indicated that we have already been cleared for approach and were not able to hold 220 KTS over the marker due to gear to approach speeds (flaps). Landing was uneventful, however the approach still seemed rushed due to the increased speed. I think that some controllers need to be more aware of certain airplane characteristics if they plan on conducting minimum spaced approachs. By reducing the amount of time needed to complete checklist and for proper airplane confign, it only increases the chances for possible human error during a critical phase of flight. Hopefully, controllers in the future should not only be aware of aircraft distances, but also many different operating practices of the various airlines that takes time to perform.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PLT WAS SLOWER OVER THE OM THAN THE ATCT LCL CTLR EXPECTED.
Narrative: ROUTINE ARR INTO LAX ON THE CIVET PROFILE. APCH CTL STATES, 'AFTER ARNES, CLRED THE ILS RWY 25L TO LAX.' UPON CONTACTING THE TWR, WE WERE TOLD TO KEEP 220 KTS UNTIL THE MARKER. ABOUT 8 MI FROM THE MARKER, WE BEGAN TO SLOW TO APCH SPD. AFTER ABOUT 30 KTS OF SPD REDUCTION, THE TWR INSTRUCTED WE WERE 'ASSIGNED 220 KTS' IN A RATHER SHARP AND MANDATORY VOICE. WE INDICATED THAT WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLRED FOR APCH AND WERE NOT ABLE TO HOLD 220 KTS OVER THE MARKER DUE TO GEAR TO APCH SPDS (FLAPS). LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL, HOWEVER THE APCH STILL SEEMED RUSHED DUE TO THE INCREASED SPD. I THINK THAT SOME CTLRS NEED TO BE MORE AWARE OF CERTAIN AIRPLANE CHARACTERISTICS IF THEY PLAN ON CONDUCTING MINIMUM SPACED APCHS. BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO COMPLETE CHKLIST AND FOR PROPER AIRPLANE CONFIGN, IT ONLY INCREASES THE CHANCES FOR POSSIBLE HUMAN ERROR DURING A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. HOPEFULLY, CTLRS IN THE FUTURE SHOULD NOT ONLY BE AWARE OF ACFT DISTANCES, BUT ALSO MANY DIFFERENT OPERATING PRACTICES OF THE VARIOUS AIRLINES THAT TAKES TIME TO PERFORM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.