See and avoid concept -- 2 acrs are advised of mutual traffic and the other sees the reporter's aircraft, but the reporter does not see him. The reporter delays performing the 'RA' and therefore comes closer than necessary to the other air carrier.

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Attributes
ACN	312214
Time
Date	199508
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : bxk airport : phx
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11700
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zab tower : mia
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	King Air 100 A/B
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 8000
ASRS Report	312214
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 300 vertical : 600
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

Abq reports traffic to both carriers. King air pilot calls B737 'in sight.' B737's TCASII goes off 'RA' descend. King air pilot reports he will accelerate descent. The TCASII has a delay in it, it's not instantaneous so the crew wonders if it's safer to accelerate the climb? The king air pilot does nothing to deviate course. B737 crew still does not see traffic. The B737 crew decides to go with TCASII: power idle, 2000 FPM down. Abq controller catches hell from both crews. Why are high performance turbines flying VFR on airways? I asked the controller why he didn't offer a solution. 'He called you in sight, it was his responsibility to avoid.' from this day forward, I will instruct my first officer's in the crew brief to demand vectors for all traffic callouts below the positive control area -- 18000 ft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT -- 2 ACRS ARE ADVISED OF MUTUAL TFC AND THE OTHER SEES THE RPTR'S ACFT, BUT THE RPTR DOES NOT SEE HIM. THE RPTR DELAYS PERFORMING THE 'RA' AND THEREFORE COMES CLOSER THAN NECESSARY TO THE OTHER ACR.

Narrative: ABQ RPTS TFC TO BOTH CARRIERS. KING AIR PLT CALLS B737 'IN SIGHT.' B737'S TCASII GOES OFF 'RA' DSND. KING AIR PLT RPTS HE WILL ACCELERATE DSCNT. THE TCASII HAS A DELAY IN IT, IT'S NOT INSTANTANEOUS SO THE CREW WONDERS IF IT'S SAFER TO ACCELERATE THE CLB? THE KING AIR PLT DOES NOTHING TO DEVIATE COURSE. B737 CREW STILL DOES NOT SEE TFC. THE B737 CREW DECIDES TO GO WITH TCASII: PWR IDLE, 2000 FPM DOWN. ABQ CTLR CATCHES HELL FROM BOTH CREWS. WHY ARE HIGH PERFORMANCE TURBINES FLYING VFR ON AIRWAYS? I ASKED THE CTLR WHY HE DIDN'T OFFER A SOLUTION. 'HE CALLED YOU IN SIGHT, IT WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO AVOID.' FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, I WILL INSTRUCT MY FO'S IN THE CREW BRIEF TO DEMAND VECTORS FOR ALL TFC CALLOUTS BELOW THE PCA -- 18000 FT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.