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Attributes | |
ACN | 313573 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cri airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 313573 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Were operating flight into jfk, were sequenced on jfk VOR runway 13L behind unknown aircraft which we could see but not well enough to make out type -- TCASII showed traffic about 4-5 mi ahead -- ATC told us to keep the speed up, cleared us for the approach and turned us over to tower. After passing canarsy VOR, started descent to MDA. At approximately 2 DME northeast off canarsy, noticed captain becoming uneasy. He then made comment about the preceding aircraft's wake and (on cue) we started encountering wake turbulence, short, choppy bumps, left and right rolls which required some positive control inputs to keep (returned wings level, pushed power up and climbed out of it). Asked tower what we were following, turned out to be a B757. Completed approach uneventfully and above VASI. We must have inadvertently descended into the B757's wake, but flying out of it was not a problem. Compared notes with captain a week later and we both agreed that we were amazed at how much wake we encountered considering the B757 was a good 4 mi ahead of us. Lesson learned: from now on, I will treat B757's with the same precautions as any 'heavy.' callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the reporter stated the aircraft was a dehaviland dash 8. The reporter was not on autoplt. There was GPWS but it did not activate. The TCASII indicated the B757 was 4-5 mi ahead. The wings rolled about 20 degrees left and right. There was about 7 seconds duration before managing to escape the wake. If there were advisories of following a B757 ahead and or caution wake turbulence the flight path would have been flown higher and perhaps more offset. The reporter wishes the controllers would ride more in the flight station of airplanes to gain first hand education on the violence associated with wake encounters.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC ENCOUNTERS BOEING B757 WAKE TURB ARRIVING JFK.
Narrative: WERE OPERATING FLT INTO JFK, WERE SEQUENCED ON JFK VOR RWY 13L BEHIND UNKNOWN ACFT WHICH WE COULD SEE BUT NOT WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE OUT TYPE -- TCASII SHOWED TFC ABOUT 4-5 MI AHEAD -- ATC TOLD US TO KEEP THE SPD UP, CLRED US FOR THE APCH AND TURNED US OVER TO TWR. AFTER PASSING CANARSY VOR, STARTED DSCNT TO MDA. AT APPROX 2 DME NE OFF CANARSY, NOTICED CAPT BECOMING UNEASY. HE THEN MADE COMMENT ABOUT THE PRECEDING ACFT'S WAKE AND (ON CUE) WE STARTED ENCOUNTERING WAKE TURB, SHORT, CHOPPY BUMPS, L AND R ROLLS WHICH REQUIRED SOME POSITIVE CTL INPUTS TO KEEP (RETURNED WINGS LEVEL, PUSHED PWR UP AND CLBED OUT OF IT). ASKED TWR WHAT WE WERE FOLLOWING, TURNED OUT TO BE A B757. COMPLETED APCH UNEVENTFULLY AND ABOVE VASI. WE MUST HAVE INADVERTENTLY DSNDED INTO THE B757'S WAKE, BUT FLYING OUT OF IT WAS NOT A PROB. COMPARED NOTES WITH CAPT A WK LATER AND WE BOTH AGREED THAT WE WERE AMAZED AT HOW MUCH WAKE WE ENCOUNTERED CONSIDERING THE B757 WAS A GOOD 4 MI AHEAD OF US. LESSON LEARNED: FROM NOW ON, I WILL TREAT B757'S WITH THE SAME PRECAUTIONS AS ANY 'HVY.' CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE RPTR STATED THE ACFT WAS A DEHAVILAND DASH 8. THE RPTR WAS NOT ON AUTOPLT. THERE WAS GPWS BUT IT DID NOT ACTIVATE. THE TCASII INDICATED THE B757 WAS 4-5 MI AHEAD. THE WINGS ROLLED ABOUT 20 DEGS L AND R. THERE WAS ABOUT 7 SECONDS DURATION BEFORE MANAGING TO ESCAPE THE WAKE. IF THERE WERE ADVISORIES OF FOLLOWING A B757 AHEAD AND OR CAUTION WAKE TURB THE FLT PATH WOULD HAVE BEEN FLOWN HIGHER AND PERHAPS MORE OFFSET. THE RPTR WISHES THE CTLRS WOULD RIDE MORE IN THE FLT STATION OF AIRPLANES TO GAIN FIRST HAND EDUCATION ON THE VIOLENCE ASSOCIATED WITH WAKE ENCOUNTERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.