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Attributes | |
ACN | 314831 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ipl |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14400 msl bound upper : 15400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tower : syr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 212 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 212 |
ASRS Report | 314831 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had departed from yuma en route to lax. Our usual request after takeoff is direct ipl, direct pdz, V16 lahab, lax. As we were passing through approximately 10000 ft (10-12 mi east of ipl), the controller told us upon reaching 16000 ft, we were cleared direct pdz. I repeated this back and looked at the captain to assure he had heard the clearance. He replied 'after 16000 ft, direct pdz, great.' after passing ipl, approximately 14400 ft, he started to turn towards pdz. I again repeated the clearance. He acknowledged and said 'I'm going to cheat a little.' I then said 'we probably should not do this.' he basically ignored me and said 'I've done this a million times before.' shortly later, at about 15400 ft, center came on the radio and said 'air carrier, what are you doing?' I looked at the captain and said 'you tell them.' he told them what he was doing and they said 'I told you upon reaching 16000 ft direct pdz. You are in a hot area, turn left 230 degrees immediately.' he then turned left as instructed. As an first officer, we must be given more support by our companies when we stand up to capts. With me being a first officer on probation, because I have only been with air carrier for 5 1/2 months, I tried to do all I could. If I had taken the plane from the captain, I'm sure I would have been reprimanded or maybe even let go by the company. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter mentioned this incident to his chief pilot after the conclusion of the trip. The chief pilot was upset with the captain and told the reporter not to worry, he would take care of it. The first officer has not heard from the FAA on this matter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FO RPTS THAT HIS CAPT DELIBERATELY ENTERED R2510.
Narrative: WE HAD DEPARTED FROM YUMA ENRTE TO LAX. OUR USUAL REQUEST AFTER TKOF IS DIRECT IPL, DIRECT PDZ, V16 LAHAB, LAX. AS WE WERE PASSING THROUGH APPROX 10000 FT (10-12 MI E OF IPL), THE CTLR TOLD US UPON REACHING 16000 FT, WE WERE CLRED DIRECT PDZ. I REPEATED THIS BACK AND LOOKED AT THE CAPT TO ASSURE HE HAD HEARD THE CLRNC. HE REPLIED 'AFTER 16000 FT, DIRECT PDZ, GREAT.' AFTER PASSING IPL, APPROX 14400 FT, HE STARTED TO TURN TOWARDS PDZ. I AGAIN REPEATED THE CLRNC. HE ACKNOWLEDGED AND SAID 'I'M GOING TO CHEAT A LITTLE.' I THEN SAID 'WE PROBABLY SHOULD NOT DO THIS.' HE BASICALLY IGNORED ME AND SAID 'I'VE DONE THIS A MILLION TIMES BEFORE.' SHORTLY LATER, AT ABOUT 15400 FT, CTR CAME ON THE RADIO AND SAID 'ACR, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?' I LOOKED AT THE CAPT AND SAID 'YOU TELL THEM.' HE TOLD THEM WHAT HE WAS DOING AND THEY SAID 'I TOLD YOU UPON REACHING 16000 FT DIRECT PDZ. YOU ARE IN A HOT AREA, TURN L 230 DEGS IMMEDIATELY.' HE THEN TURNED L AS INSTRUCTED. AS AN FO, WE MUST BE GIVEN MORE SUPPORT BY OUR COMPANIES WHEN WE STAND UP TO CAPTS. WITH ME BEING A FO ON PROBATION, BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY BEEN WITH ACR FOR 5 1/2 MONTHS, I TRIED TO DO ALL I COULD. IF I HAD TAKEN THE PLANE FROM THE CAPT, I'M SURE I WOULD HAVE BEEN REPRIMANDED OR MAYBE EVEN LET GO BY THE COMPANY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR MENTIONED THIS INCIDENT TO HIS CHIEF PLT AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE TRIP. THE CHIEF PLT WAS UPSET WITH THE CAPT AND TOLD THE RPTR NOT TO WORRY, HE WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. THE FO HAS NOT HEARD FROM THE FAA ON THIS MATTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.